|jazzoLOG: Iraq Is A Local War|
6 comments10 Nov 2005 @ 10:28 by vibrani : Very true, Jazz
war is always local. People think that even a war that we're not actively involved in fighting isn't local are wrong, too. They all affect everyone, everywhere. Of course, when a local soldier dies, it is felt all the more. What is tragic is that young people are volunteering to go into the service - TOO YOUNG and really not understanding what they will face, how their souls will be scarred for life, if not their bodies. How their families will be affected forever, maybe even their entire family line will perrish should they die. They and their parents think they are being real Americans, fighting to protect us and to help others. In a few cases, they might be right about that. But in most, they're not. We know that the service offers the poor a way to have an education and salary. We also know there are better ways to accomplish that. There are people who love the military and they do belong there - that's in their soul. I say, let them go and follow their path. In my opinion, they are the only ones who should be in the military, since most countries seem to have to have the military.
10 Nov 2005 @ 19:09 by Quinty @22.214.171.124 : In vain
I would be in favor of slashing our "defense" budget in half. That would still leave us outspending the rest of the world five or six times on our military. And we would still have enough nuclear weapons to simultaneously blow up the Earth and several neighboring planets. That should be a sufficient deterent. And I would pull out completely from the Middle East. And from nearly all the military posts (more than 200) we have all over the world. This is not isolationism. It is a step back from imperialism. I agree with what you said Vibrani. Well said.
24 Jul 2007 @ 10:13 by jazzolog : And Now Jimmy Breslin For Impeachment
Pulitzer Prize winning commentator Breslin, though "retired," remains as controversial as ever. At the moment there are 404 furiously written comments to this article, published Sunday~~~
Impeach George Bush to stop war lies, deaths
July 22, 2007
I am walking in Rosedale on this day early in the week while I wait for the funeral of Army soldier Le Ron Wilson, who died at age 18 in Iraq. He was 17 1/2 when he had his mother sign his enlistment papers at the Jamaica recruiting office. If she didn't, he told her, he would just wait for the months to his 18th birthday and go in anyway. He graduated from Thomas Edison High School at noon one day in May. He left right away for basic training. He came home in a box last weekend. He had a fast war.
The war was there to take his life because George Bush started it with bold-faced lies.
He got this lovely kid killed by lying.
If Bush did this in Queens, he would be in court on Queens Boulevard on a murder charge.
He did it in the White House, and it is appropriate, and mandatory for the good of the nation, that impeachment proceedings be started. You can't live with lies. You can't permit them to be passed on as if it is the thing to do.
Yesterday, Bush didn't run the country for a couple of hours while he had a colonoscopy at the presidential retreat, Camp David. He came out of it all right. He should now take his good health and go home, quit a job he doesn't have a clue as to how to do.
The other day, Bush said he couldn't understand why in the world would some people say that millions of Americans have no health insurance. "Why, all they have to do is go to the emergency room," he said.
Said this with the smirk, the insolent smug, contemptuous way he speaks to citizens.
People, particularly these politicians, these frightened beggars in suits, seem petrified about impeachment. It could wreck the country. Ridiculous. I've been around this business twice and we're all still here and no politician was even injured. Richard Nixon lied during a war and helped get some 58,500 Americans killed and many escaped by hanging onto helicopter skids. Nixon left peacefully. Mike Mansfield of Montana, the Democratic Senate majority leader, said on television that the Senate impeachment trial of Nixon would be televised and there would be no immunity. That meant Nixon would have to face the country under oath and if he lied he would go to prison. He knew he was finished as he heard this. Mansfield said no more. He got up and left. Barbara Walters, on the "Today" show, said, "He doesn't say very much, does he?"
The second time the subject was Bill Clinton for illegal holding in the hallway.
This time, we have dead bodies involved. Consider what is accomplished by the simple power of the word impeachment. If you read these broken-down news writers or terrified politicians claiming that an impeachment would leave the nation in pieces, don't give a moment to them.
It opens with the appointing of an investigator to report to the House on evidence that calls for impeachment. He could bring witnesses forward. That would be all you'd need. Here in the impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon came John Dean. His history shows how far down the honesty and honor of this country has gone. Dean was the White House counsel. Richard Nixon, at his worst, never told him not to appear or to remain silent in front of the Congress. Dean went on and did his best to fill prisons. After that came Alexander Butterfield, a nobody. All he had to say was that the White House had a taping system that caught all the conversations in the White House. Any of them not on tape were erased by a participant.
The same is desperately needed now. Curious, following the words, an investigator - the mind here sees George Mitchell and Warren Rudman, and you name me better - can slap a hand on the slitherers and sneaks who have kept us in war for five years and who use failing generals to beg for more time and more lives of our young. A final word in September? Two years more, the generals and Bush people say.
Say impeachment and you'll get your troops home.
As I am walking in Rosedale, on these streets sparkling with sun, I remember the places I have been in the cold rain for the deaths of our young in this war. Rosedale now, Washington Heights before, and the South Bronx, and Bay Shore and Hauppauge and too many other places around here.
And in Washington we had this Bush, and it is implausible to have anyone who is this dumb running anything, smirking at his country. He sure doesn't mind copying those people. On his PBS television show the other night, Bill Moyers said he was amazed at Sara Taylor of the White House staff saying that she didn't have to talk to a congressional committee because George Bush had ordered her not to. "I took an oath to uphold the president," she said.
That president had been in charge of a government that kidnapped, tortured, lied, intercepted mail and calls, all in the name of opposing people who are willing to kill themselves right in front of you. You have to get rid of a government like this. Ask anybody in Rosedale, where Le Ron Wilson wanted to live his young life. His grave speaks out that this is an impeachable offense.
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24 Jul 2007 @ 14:27 by quinty : Once again
a great writer has spoken out against this president and this war. You know, of course, that Pinter, Mailer, Dideon, Breslin and the like are all foul mouthed impolite people, don’t you? What makes them impolite? They speak the truth, and that, as all we adults know, is unforgivable.
So what does Breslin get from his readers? This was the first comment on that thread....
"Breslin, you always were a blubbering coward. You dishonor the memory of this brave young man who died thinking he was doing the work of a patriot, and so he was. You dishonor your homeland, in it's war on radical Islamic terrorism, and you give aid to the enemy by showing your hatred and disrespect for our president, you are a traitor and a coward. U.S. Army 42270688 WW2."
Lofty, isn't it? Quite a lofty discourse here. The goons and thugs have spoken. And though their spokesman occupies the White House don’t fear. There surely must be some voices on that thread who agree with Breslin’s final sentence.
“His grave speaks out that this is an impeachable offense.”
25 Jul 2007 @ 12:57 by John Tagliabue @126.96.36.199 : Iraq is a local war
I am from Australia. Our country has troops in Iraq supporting the Americans. Its a bloody long way from Australia to Iraq and America. 24-31hours flying time. We look after our mates. Americans are our mates. When those towers came down we all felt for America. We have all sorts of people in Australia and as long as they want to live our carefree way of life they are welcome here. Leave the politics and the religion behind.It doesnt matter to us about the oil. We have heaps of our own. We have massive reserves of Natural gas and we are basically a mine for the rest of the world. So how local is this war? I hate war. I reakon there should be no religion. It seems that where there is religion there is war. Historically war was war because of religion and because of greed. Any religion that gives the OK to killing is bulldust. Once a killing is made then there is another killing and so on. It never ends. So who is going to stop the killing? Who is going to stop the war. When? How? Does anyone think that an Iraqi mother and father and an American mother and father that loses a child to war gives a dam about the why? They want their child back, they want their family. I hope it ends soon. Americans should tell George Bush that there is no winning in Iraq or anywhere else that there is war. War is loss, sadness, death, destruction. Not winning.I think there was 3000 people killed when the towers came down. Add to that another 3000 and climbing with the American troops that have died and thats 6000. So how can America win. They initially lost 3000 they have lost another 3000 so from here on its all down hill loss loss loss. It can never be called a win. Never. Lets hurry up and get out of there.
2 Aug 2007 @ 10:17 by jazzolog : After The Initial Startle
it was wonderful to read John Tagliabue's 2 comments at jazzoLOG. I just returned from a Hungarian family reunion (Dana's side) where all the men seem to be named Joe Uveges. We all even got Tshirts that said You might be an Uveges if there are only 3 names you can give a boy. I'm wondering if things are similar at a Tagliabue reunion. Even a John Tagliabue reunion. This John Tagliabue must have Googled to find this, and therefore knows of the other distinguished ones---all related apparently. By the way, it's pronounced TAL ya BOO ee...although the football guy says it the way most non-Italian Yanks do the first time.
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