|2010-07-17, by John Ringland|
@markjbradford quoted @GrahamHill, which was retweeted by
I totally disagree with this, thus I responded to them saying:
Effective co-creation needs to self-organise! E.g. you're not
organised by cells who enact a plan.
Complex evolutionary systems (eg organisms, communities, etc)
are not machines that we can 'make'.
Minds r conduits for ideas & actions that contribute to
the process, but egos are not the doers.
Egos distrust self-organisation b/c an ego is a cognitive
control-system confused by its self image
Those who distrust self-organisation have yet to understand
it. All that exists has self-organised!
All that exists has self-organised! Even your computer.
Design is memetic evolution within a mind!
We are not just "people in a world", we are
subsystems within a global complex adaptive system.
This system self-organises & evolves at all levels:
physical biological psychological social technological etc
Below are some general comments that flowed out of me a few hours
Aside from just action or inaction, one can let the doing
happen without interference from the ego-as-doer. Then nothing is
The global complexAdaptiveSystem of which we r a part is
undergoing a metaSystemTransition #MST http://bit.ly/bAeArl
The desire that we feel to communicate, collaborate &
innovate is the movement of that metaSystemTransition within us and
The ego, via its delusion of being the doer grasps this
evolutionary impulse & uses it in its agendas, thus alignment is
If the doing flows naturally, without ego, it is
synchronistically a part of the broader pattern, thus in harmony
with the whole.
This state of spontaneous creative response is known 2
children, artists, geniuses, great athletes, sages and saints. It
can be known by any
Normal consciousness is a state of stupor, in which the
sensibility to the real & responsiveness to the spirit are
reduced (Abraham Heschel)
The mystics, knowing that man is involved in a hidden history
of the cosmos, endeavor to awake from drowsiness and apathy (Abraham
@Technoshaman just responded with:
The design self-organises in our minds! Who is the 'you' who
allegedly 'did' it? That's the ego with its delusion of doership.
We have discussed this issue several times in different
contexts, its subtle but understanding it is necessary for wise
Over time, in subtle ways, the attitude of "being the
doer" alienates one from oneself and from the evolutionary
@markjbradford replied (retweeted by @technoshaman):
In epidemiology would you also say that hosts are the primary
movers and viruses are passive?
Mind is essential, but the ego, the one who says "I did
that" is not necessary for design to occur.
When memes propagate, mutate & compete within our minds &
cultures technological innovations occur.
Action is vital, but we need to understand the situation 4
the action to be holistically effective.
If one lets the process unfold rather than interferes with
it, it will be holistically appropriate.
If ur inspired to do then do! But if you spread the
"discourse of the doer" you cripple inspiration
The egoic "discourse of the doer" is a primary
cause of the global systemic crisis that we face
The egoic discourse leads us to create stunted & warped
systems that are holistically destructive.
Wonderful synchronicity! This video just came to me via
And @Dorait just tweeted the following, retweeted by #CoCreator:
see "self-organising system with learning as an emergent
"discourse of the doer" w/d say a teacher must do
the teaching, but not true http://bit.ly/9kMas2
If systems didn't self-organise we wouldn't exist, neither
would we have culture or technology.
If we harness self-organisation rather than stifle it,
transformations can occur at all levels.
We sh/d understand selfOrganisation & encourage it rather
than foster the "discourse of the doer"
Then we weaken the old paradigm & strengthen the new.
Then we can co-create in truly effective ways
A quote that came up in another conversation is also relevant:
"He who perceives that all aspects of actions are
performed only through prakriti (constituents of nature) and also
that the self is a non-doer, he may be said to have truly
perceived." (Bhagavad Gita, Chpt 13)
MSTT is just one example amongst many. System science is
testable & well tested!
common sense "discourse of the doer" is testable
too, but it does not withstand close scrutiny!