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9 comments24 Apr 2002 @ 03:51 by shawa : Hi, Mark
If you would like, please check my last Newslog entry. I would appreciate a comment. Love, --
24 Apr 2002 @ 23:46 by vaxen : yes mark...
very nicely put but what do you mean that 'responsible consciousness' is not a personal matter? if not 'personal then what? re-active? glad you posted this as i did not, heretofore, exactly know unto which post of yours the allusion alluded. we are each very much, i suspect, working in our own ways and on our own paths towards the resolvement of current world issues. here are some tools that you may be interested in, as i noticed in another of your posts that you are or were looking for various softwares that would adequately fascilitate the working of that which is your own towards manifestation:
please forgive me if this is not my place to be a commenting...my intentions are good. but, then, so are yours. may wholeness and the light of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge requisite flow and depth of beings perception amongst us all here, now, in time for all time...Namaskar. VAX
25 Apr 2002 @ 11:19 by mmmark : VAX
Thanks for all our writings all over the place. The is a basic duality to life - The inner personal realm and everything else in the outer realm. CE concerns us all and I believe the social solutions lie in our ability to work together. When we come to NCN, our prime directive should be to learn - and we should also know that we do not attack people here, nor assume they are trying to harm us. We must look upon this as a slice of life, but with the understanding that learning requires throwing out old non-workable mental programs and replacing them with new ones. How can we do this without being receptive? !!!!! This is humanitys challenge and it is not possible if we are going to cling to ego-centric concepts, think in terms of "ME," or defend illness in any form. I am always surprised by negative reactions to loving gestures of concern. Many members have responded poorly when we reach out to touch them specifically - thinking it is a personal attack. Conscious Evolution is not a personal concern, yet we will benefit from it as individuals. The health of the whole automatically protects the member, but the health interest of one member will not bring about the reciprocal result. The need is exactly the same, however, I like pointing out that we cannot proceed on a basis to achieve personal fulfillment unless it is measured for the good of all. I am only talking about principles not preferences like chocolate ice-cream. I dare say that the world scene is a direct result of cumulative selfish pursuits dominantly, where we have evolved a society in fase competition with itself. Tres Malo! So from my intelligence, I would like to advocate that we try operating in the opposite and common sense manner.
25 Apr 2002 @ 12:29 by scotty : Something bothers me
in what you're saying here Mark
prime directives, should's 'n shouldn'ts ...
throwing out old mental programs .. ego-centric concepts...can't proceed unless...Lot's of stuff here that make me itch !
( http://innerself.com/Behavior_Modification/manipulation.htm )
25 Apr 2002 @ 12:31 by jazzolog : Scotty, Let Me Assure You
The last person in this network who would try to manipulate you or anyone is Mark. That's my opinion and conviction anyway. No blether either! Love, Richard
25 Apr 2002 @ 12:41 by scotty : Yes Richard
I don't think Mark is trying to manipulate - but
when someone tell's me 'should' mmmmhh there's a wee voice inside which asks Why SHOULD.
Hey Mark no bad feelings (no way do I want you to think I'm getting at you -smile)
25 Apr 2002 @ 13:31 by mmmark : Scotty
No offense taken. You obviously have some questions about what works and what doesn't - what principles are successful and what kind of conduct will bring that fruit.
We have to make a choice Scotty. Be real - not controversial. We shouldn't kill and we should Love. Pain is usually self inflicted, so we shouldn't do that in any form, but we certainly shouldn't take our frustration out on others. It is stupid to do that when professing at the same time the desire to work with others. We are damaged goods my friend - so I say we should stop doing damage and stop accepting it. The egocentric are very much to blame for the harm that comes from putting 'number one' above Cosmic harmony and global peace.
25 Apr 2002 @ 17:32 by scotty : Got you...
I think for me though that 'should shouldn't ' is the problem
Pain is always self inflicted and maybe 'rules' of behaviour are better explained and examples shown or given (other peoples behaviour I mean)
I mean - often people 'think' that they are doing 'good' and in fact they're hurting themselves others etc and find all kinds of reason to continue - (I've an aquaintance who's got a boyfriend - not a nice guy - hmm hmm not at all - she suffers terribly - she's only 'now' getting to grips with the idea that he's not hurting her but that she's 'being' a victim - she says he's nice sometimes and that he 'can' be kind and it's not his fault it's a question of education and she thinks that maybe she's with him so that she can save him etc etc etc - all this 'nice' kind acceptance and tolerance of another person is in fact just a 'front' cos she can't admit that she's scared to be alone!(her own discovery - not one I pegged on her)
Sure I could say hey gal you should do this 'n that and you shouldn't accept etc but - one fine day she has to wake up and see for herself that 'the bad guy' isn't the one who's causing her unhappiness - and that 'she' herself can work to finding another solution to loneliness
Killing is B A D so are all the other things you said and I agree with you - so is hate jealousy (using bad is simplistic I know - but you know what I mean )
Somewhere though Mark I think that some people 'need' 'must' be hurt or even be bad ( I can't see how one thing can exist to the exclusion of another) and that we need to 'grow' 'evolve' and not just follow or set down rules just cos they're good for us ..;(sorry if I've gone on but I find it hard to explain - one part of me agrees with you - truly - but - there's that but again)
25 Apr 2002 @ 22:18 by mmmark : No BUTS
We have to set a Universal standard that will benefit everyone in principle - a goal we strive for - and high standard of optimum value. Let us aim for the stars - not the dirt. I am not talking about legislation, law or edict, I am talking about how we agree to try. When you talk about the world in general it is even more important to do this, but on NCN, courtesy should be expected for our mutual mission the group pretends to be, so I would not be writing repeatedly about how to perform adult behavior, or how to grow up. You touched on one very important point - for there to be abusers, someone must allow it to happen - just like we have wars because those of us who do not agree with idea war don't stop those who do, and because we empower them to make war. The key is to face the truth about what we are doing personally, so we do not allow harms to be generated upon us, and that we will not abuse others intentionally. As I have said before, all this trouble comes because "we are cowards to die for Love." If this was the prime directive, there would overwhelming elimination of human crimes on every level. Gandhi forgave the man that shot him! He wouldnt have been shot if people didnt make guns to kill people, or if the society was healthy and the English werent abusing the Indian people and on and on. When will we stand firmly for goodness? When opposing evil or wrong doers on any issue it is important to maintain a Loving center and avoid matching the same bad energy one is facing. One must be smarter, bigger and more Loving without fear of personal harm to help such injured people. We can be truthful about their mistake, but we do not need to beat them up with the error and we can tell them sincerely we care, but we cannot condone abuses of freedom.
I suggest your friend draw the line and save herself after telling her partner the same. It is no good for her health and a waste of her life force.
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