|MMMark's Whycandoo Room: The Inevitable|
10 comments27 Feb 2002 @ 22:02 by magical_melody : Tell the Truth Brother!
Hey Mark. You know it is very timely that I read what you have written here. I know that I will come back to re-read it, when I need it most. Hell, when I am in conflict with myself, I'll come read. I liked what you wrote, and agree that we need to attend to ourselves and one another through confronting defeating and non-loving attitudes and behaviors, both within ourselves and one another.
27 Feb 2002 @ 23:44 by mmmark : Resonance
Alana - I'm glad to feel you near me in the only enduring frequency I know.
28 Feb 2002 @ 00:18 by ming : Conflict
Some people do look for conflict, and thrive on it. And there have been people like that in NCN. But, to the best of my assessment, nobody who has been active in this environment in the last few weeks is in that category. In my opinion, the worst problem is the secondary reaction, where we mistakenly believe that somebody attacked us, and therefore we immediately counter-attack. Most people here really don't set out to attack and hurt anybody. So, if you feel attacked, count to 50 slowly, while considering more benign intentions the person might have had. And then answer, if at all necessary, those intentions.
28 Feb 2002 @ 02:19 by jazzolog : What's Inevitable?
I remember how shocked I was at first when psychologists came up with the notion that some stress and anxiety always are involved in learning. We were in the midst of the '60s feelgoods then, and group warmfuzzies were the rage. We were planning new schools and open classrooms and students were calling their teachers by first names and everybody was hugging everybody (and sometimes into areas of dangerous more). We were mellow---and here comes an unmellow fellow to tell us about anxiety. Yikes, where's my bag of weed? Oh yeah, a student borrowed it.
These new thinkers were blazing away in innercity schools, not like me lounging my career up in Amherst and the Berkshire Hills. They said Look, in the life of the mind you introduce something new---anything new---and there is a period of adjustment while the brain looks for content that might upset the applecart, that may require Fight or Flight. So yes, there will be tension in a classroom where learning goes on! It's natural, so design your environment accordingly. Plan your day.
Kay said yesterday, over at DivinePowers that she needs to go in that workgroup for hugs. She knows they're there and there are times in her day when she needs one. Oh we get into discussions in that Conversation Room and sometimes even disagreements, but mostly we bliss out. I think that's wonderful. People know there are places to go for different things.
Some of the newslogs are comforting and inspiring always. No stress with Satorius: just the gentle winds of an encouraging soul and beautiful spirit. Then there are hard thinkers and the twists and turns of heavy cogitation. Other logs you don't know what you'll find. A tricky headline may lead me into a trap! "Oh god or goddess or whatever-I-believe today---and that part's hazy too---I'M UNDER ATTACK! Where did I put that sword?" There are places at NCN that invite and encourage learning and we may have to feel that stress.
While I'm in the anxiety of learning, and wondering whether I have to discard any cherished prejudices, I'm in conflict with myself to a degree. I may require the quiet privacy of a library while I go through that. I don't want to be disturbed. We may need to acknowledge in ourselves that a rippling tension, hopefully that is pleasant, comes with the territory of even coming in NCN.
There's another complication here...and anywhere with the computer. I've been told by some surprising people here in the last couple weeks that they are not at NCN---or maybe even on the computer at all---to make relationships. The implication has been---and even statements made directly---"Back off bub!" I have had to think about that. If I'm in the library, and find another human being in the space where I'm searching or walking or riding the elevator or up at the desk, my practice is to offer a pleasantry of some kind. An exchange may occur and even a conversation begin. I'm enjoying this and someone new, but of course the ol' anxiety thing is there because I'm learning. At any moment this chat may end because of a million different stimuli or an occasion or literally whatever. Some kind of closure is good---or invitation for continuing another time. That's just normal interaction.
But of course also at the library---and including myself sometimes---there are people who are strictly business or in a hurry, and any distraction is just a bother or even offensive. All of this is communicated with body language and looks. Not on a computer though. I suppose it is safe to assume that many of us are not on this machine for relationships. In fact I may be on my computer a few hours a day because my realtime relationships stink, are all failures. Why do I think they'll be any better with mere electronic circuitry? If I want the fullness of love relationship, clearly there is a whole pile of tech devices I should throw in the landfill this minute---if only they weren't so damned toxic.
So I'm thinking, Yeah, why do I get bent out of shape when someone tells me to buzz off, they've got work to do? I need to respect that and look more carefully for cues that there'll be no joking around with this or that person. I think all of these unknowns---and probably a ton more---are involved in the "conflict" here.
Who wouldn't love a magical big convention center where suddenly we all would be in person? Name tags and just milling around. Booths set up for the more commercial people. Meeting each other in magical/realtime at last. I'd love it! But there may be people who wouldn't go. I understand that and respect it, even though I would be disappointed. Inevitable stress might be too much.
It appears to me that Ming has thought of these matters I have discussed here---and probably more, and is open to suggestions along these lines. There are different areas for different people to do different things. But the newslogs remain a neverneverland where anything can happen. That's great! Lively learning here.
1 Mar 2002 @ 20:53 by maxtobin : What to say?
1 Mar 2002 @ 21:13 by maxtobin : Hit to wrong key!!
Mark, this is a big one, I hope my comment can do it justice, I sense your intent, and it is wonderful and admirable, I must aggree with Richard though and say that in the life we have chosen in this realm of polarity we will find all sorts of situations and it is not that conflict is inevitable rather that we need to be very much more clear about what is our stuff and to discern clearly what is intent. Any conflict is in the being of the perceiver, all we see here are words (powerful no doubt) to which we attach our own filtered meaning, if there is conflict then it is because it resonates with an inner need. I noticed one entry that looked like a direct insult, but hey thats not my problem because I AM a creature of light and shadow play and I don't chose to resonate with that. And on another occassion a full frontal attack, so I absorbed and centered and asked why (of myself) and then looked deeper and asked spirit what I had bought this into my life for, now there is a process (we have engaged)and I have resolved the problem at one level. Yet there is much more yet to do in that direction and the same need has been thrown out to others. I rest in the silence with this for the moment and await intuitive direction for the highest and best good.
To put it in a nut shell, never take a fence it is only a limitimg boundary after all and curtails freedom, but neither avoid healthy confrontation (not to be confused with brutal confrontation)it is a growth inspiring process if we embrace it with that intent. War is a very sick expression of confrontation of an unhealthy kind, ALWAYS apply the following filter (my advise to myself) what is for the highest and best good of ALL in each event requireing response. Respond rather than reacting, assume anothers best intention but be prepared to say stop, do I understand you correctly? and then go on and dance the dance like there is no tommorrow. Where is peazritr with her band of gypsies?
2 Mar 2002 @ 17:20 by simpleman : INNER NEED
Mark, commend you for this log. Just makes us all sit back and think a little bit. I've read all the comments, and can relate to alot of whats been said. One thought really caught my attention though, and that was Maxtobin's comment about inner need. It does seem that during conversation, if conflict arises, if we look at our own experiences we find something that triggered the feeling. there have been many occasions when something I said provoked a negative reaction from someone. At the time I said it, it was not appearant to me. If I start to think about the situation, putting myself in the other persons shoes, I'll find that what I did or said was offensive. Of course, then I start to feel guilty. If possible I will apoligize for my actions and admit I was wrong.
To Jazzman and everyone else, I am here to experience and possibly begin new relationships, but my main focus is to learn. Since I respect the views of everyone at NCN, I prefer to be told when I'm out of line.
3 Mar 2002 @ 02:10 by mmmark : Please People
I wrote this to inspire a change of attitude, not hoping to hear the opposite logic, which I too gave give, but I decide not take that side because it is pointless and harmful in the long run. Of course we will say things that will upset someone, but it is their responsibility to gain clarification and resolution, or correct us gently, and if we are mannered, we will apologize. The old engrams and mimes have got to go - and I wrote this to say so. Do I hear agreements on that?
3 Mar 2002 @ 15:55 by ming : Conflict
Mark ... I am not meaning to throw fuel on the fire for you. On the contrary, I'm trying to express this as lovingly as I can.... Looking over your message and the responses, the only person who's vibrating CONFLICT and negativity in this is YOU. I see various people giving comments about embracing what we could call "conflict", and experiencing it as something useful and desirable, as part of the creative process of sorting out different approaches and different perspectives. Essentially I see these people expressing that it doesn't have to be considered something BAD, but it can be a positive, creative thing. And then it appears that you perceive those various comments as disagreeing with you, and being negative towards you. Whereas I don't perceive that. You presented a negative judgment about something which most others here seemed to find value in. And they didn't answer with a negative judgment about you, they answered with an explanation of why they thought it should be an and/and, rather than an either/or. I think they have a right to that, and I don't think you have a right to take that away from us. So, Mark, stop being negative, stop trying to tell everybody what they can't do. Find the positive and constructive aspects in what is actually here. I know you only mean the very best. I'm just trying to point out that it doesn't have to be a fight. You can accomplish what you'd really like to do without having to be in conflict with everything else that is going on. Drop the conflict. If we're really on the same team, then stop fighting us.
3 Mar 2002 @ 18:54 by mmmark : Sorry Ming
This post was written in response to a member saying that conflict is inevitable. I begged to differ. There was added incentive to write this followig all the distress and depression other members were feeling during conflict with others, so I do not understand how your comment applies to me. I have been an advocate for nothing but positive comments and a civil tongue. I may not always measure up to my goal, but I felt the need to share it light of the NCN wars.
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