Gerald Vest: Our Uncivilized Society and Gun Culture    
 Our Uncivilized Society and Gun Culture36 comments
picture28 Dec 2012 @ 15:18, by Gerald Vest

May I become at all times, both now and forever--A protector for those without protection--A guide for those who have lost their way--A ship for those with oceans to cross--A bridge for those with rivers to cross--A sanctuary for those in danger--A lamp for those without light--A place of refuge for those who lack shelter--A servant to all in need. Ethics For The New Millennium His Holiness The Dalai Lama (1999)

We are living in an uncivilized culture of guns, violence, insecurity, fear and political malaise. Hundreds of children, youth and families are murdered or killed every week in the USA and no one is discussing the root cause of the indifference that gun merchants, owners, politicians, teachers and others support as a killing sport and hobby. Teachers can't or won't even organize themselves to refuse to walk into their classrooms while their schools are being prepared and promoted to use guns to defend themselves and their students. Parents are often unaware that they may be part of the problem for having guns in their cars and in their homes. Many others are even proudly packing them when they go to work as introduced in our old Western movies with John Wayne, Audey Murphey, Ronald Reagon and other hollywood heroes portrayed as manly or tough.

Learning is a dynamic and interactive experience that incorporates all of our body-mind-spirit-emotions and social relationship systems. Children learn values by observing, trusting and following parents, other adults and peers who we believe know what they are doing and how to behave or function in this Wild West society.

Frankly, we have not learned how to behave in our society without weapons of mass destruction of all kinds to assert our will, power and control. I believe human values taught by most religions are undermined with gun ownership mentality. Additionally, having weapons in the arsenal, glove compartment, classroom or back pack only encourages challenges by immature,disturbed and undeveloped beings.

Why do hunters get off on killing our beautiful wildlife before they can complete their lives naturally? It's not ok to kill these fantastic and beautiful creatures and justifying the sport by thinning out their population. Why, because these creatures are created as unique, purposely and necessary as all of us. We are all one or united with Nature....she is us and we are her. What affects one affects all.

Killing one of our creatures for sport and for making you and others feel good is not respectful nor does it dignify us as human beings. Killing like this is "gang like" behavior experienced almost everywhere in our society. Our children and youth must be just as confused about life as their parents about learning to interact, support and relate with Nature. As humans we are reportedly the top of the evolutionary Chain that defines us as caring, compassionate, loving and kind social human beings. Killing our Wild Animals and shooting other creatures for sport, is not a responsible and respectful appreciation of Nature.

Today, I feel like a very small minority with this message of concern about our gun culture; however, our children grew up without them and their values and service to humanity are manifested with compassion, love, dignity, self respect and understanding. They understand their place and relationship with Nature and this is what we intended as responsible parents. We have one of the largest and extensive police and security forces in the World so let's not add more guns to it. Let's begin reducing and eliminating aggression and weapons so we can become fully human, responsible and social creatures who care about our place in Nature.

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28 Dec 2012 @ 16:23 by jerryvest : Our Core Values as a Profession
I feel that as a professional social worker it is my responsiblity to respond to the direction and reaction our society is taking. I live in the Southwest and guns are best friends with much of the population. AZ is prime example of their eagerness to put guns in the schools, but most GOP states are supportive of the Wild West mentality. These are our core values that I respect and follow:

The mission of the social work profession is rooted in a set of core values. These core values, embraced by social workers throughout the profession’s history, are the foundation of social work’s unique purpose and perspective:
•social justice
•dignity and worth of the person
•importance of human relationships

This constellation of core values reflects what is unique to the social work profession. Core values, and the principles that flow from them, must be balanced within the context and complexity of the human experience.  

30 Dec 2012 @ 21:34 by jerryvest : Guns in our Schools?
I posted a message about having guns in the schools and also attending to the root cause of having WMD -- in our society the biggest $'s, biggest guns, and biggest sex organ is valued by our Military-Industrial-Economic-Political leadership and catastrophic events related to the use of weapons for safety, for hobbies, for protection, for robbery, for murder, for mass killings, to settle disputes, capital punishment....bigger weapons are so attractive to our politicians, special interests and gun lovers who without awareness threaten our lives, health and relationships around the world. Don't put weapons in our schools! {link:}  

1 Jan 2013 @ 07:25 by sgierman : Wilderness
Thank you for such a thoughtful plea for our wildlife, Jerry. I just finished reading "A Testament to the Wilderness." In it C.A Meier states "Excessive interference with outer nature creates of necessity, disorder of inner nature, for the two are intimately connected." How long can we keep destroying our wilderness including the numerous animals who are becoming extinct daily, without expecting to pay the price with the loss of our inner wilderness, our hearts and souls? If you read fairy tales, it might be useful to notice that if one is not kind to the animals, things do not go so well for you. We've forgotten about our instincts, our inner animals, and live in our heads. Wrong direction, but as you said,we are in a minority, those who care more about our children and animals and the earth that sustains us. Thank you for caring enough to write about these things. Our future depends on it! best wishes to you! Stephanie  

2 Jan 2013 @ 02:45 by jerryvest : Oh, My!!!Stephanie, your message brings
Tears to my Eyes and Love in my Heart for your deep appreciation and love you have and manifest as a remarkable human being...and, great friend and colleague and Rainbow Eye partner...and, looking forward to visiting more and soon. much love, jerry & lou and all of our animal kingdom....  

2 Jan 2013 @ 15:51 by jerryvest : Visit our protectors of wildlife...

3 Jan 2013 @ 10:33 by sgierman : Inner Wilderness
What a nice message Jerry! It is "No time" with us! I just sent my thesis by email to my adviser and two readers. I was planning to talk about animals and nature as manifestations of heart and soul, but ended up expanding that section after I read your article. Let's find a way to get together. With Ted too! Talk to you soon. Lots of love to you, Stephanie  

3 Jan 2013 @ 15:21 by jerryvest : Fantastic, Steph...just listened to
Ted's latest music CD...outstanding. Hmm, can't find his ph# to talk with him. Congratulations on completing your Thesis...let's do get together in 2013....much love, jerry  

5 Jan 2013 @ 19:37 by jerryvest : More gun violence and murders in
Aurora, CO today. My grandkids live next door to this community and go to their theater & shops. There is not going to be any safe place to go in CO with their love for guns and for killing our wildlife before their time is up. It is time for guns to be licensed and our people put law & order in the hands of justice & law inforcement and related services that we pay for out of our taxes. {link:}  

5 Jan 2013 @ 22:49 by Karen @ : A Special Message
Just wanted to thank you for sharing this very special message today.. It brought with it so much love and light..


6 Jan 2013 @ 00:09 by jerryvest : Thank you
for responding, Karen. There are times I feel that I am putting my family in danger for advocating for control of these WMD. I personally see these killings as a wake up call for America. What will it take to address this issue of guns to protect next generations from this Madness?  

8 Jan 2013 @ 15:32 by jerryvest : Time is now to ban all Weapons of
Mass Destruction(WMD){link:}  

11 Jan 2013 @ 12:29 by jerryvest : Some comments I posted
Huffington Post:

NRA Membership Surges By 100,000 In Wake Of Sandy Hook Shooting

Commented Jan 10, 2013 at 21:37:33 in Politics

“Seems to me that so many of the gun enthusiasts love their guns more than their families...perhaps even favor and love their weapons more than spouses. This is really sick...I wondered where or when the game of marbles changed to become a more macho, manly game of shooting Nature's beautiful creatures for sport. A very popular sport killing our unique wild life before they complete their experience here on Earth. Seems humans are becoming more targets for one another as these weapons get in the hands of fearful, undeveloped, angry and hateful persons.”  

12 Jan 2013 @ 06:53 by bushman : Hmm
Who will protect your family from gangsters and thugs, it's not like the cops will get there in time to save you. I agree people shouldn't be killing animals for sport, and bows and arrows are just fine for hunting for food. I'll still venture to say that without the guns you wouldn't have this internet, you wouldn't have anything but sticks and stones and a cold damp cave to live in till someone with a club came along and beat you out of your cave and took your hard gathered berries. In the USA we have a constitution, it's what keeps us free-er than any other country in the world. You can go out and protest all you want, but in the end, it will be our second amendment rights that save us all from tyranical governments and other yahoos who might want to invade our country. Look at Canada, just the state of New York has enough people and guns to just walk right in and take over. Don't get me wrong I do believe there should be better screening of gun buyers, and shooting an animal is wrong if your not going to eat it. And just a few final questions, have you imagined how a world with 7 billion people would have to be if everyone only ate vegies? The masive farms and thier pesticides, the fences to keep huge heards out? Have you ever read the book Brave New World?  

12 Jan 2013 @ 16:42 by jerryvest : Not a Brave New World with these
guns in everyone's possession. Thanks for your comment Bushman...however, the rhetoric is built around fear of our Government and makes no sense when we think about our history and why our 'fathers' not 'mothers' included this amendment. They just didn't want guns in the hands of their slaves. Killing wildlife for food doesn't make any sense at all. Just another excuse to have guns to shoot and kill anything that moves. What kind of healthy respect for the living creatures are we passing on to next generations? Why pay police, Nat'l. Guard, Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, private contractors, etc. to protect us from one another? Giving everyone weapons to defend themselves from themselves is what I believe is happening. All this gun talk is fear based. "Fear is a natural response to being closer to the Truth." Let's all Awaken our Consciousness and we'll no longer value our weapons, but recognize--We are One.  

13 Jan 2013 @ 07:10 by bushman : Hmm
Well fact is all these agencies have taken an oath to uphold and protect the constitution, I've taken that oath as well. I have guns and I don't shoot anything that moves. And so far I haven't had to hunt for my food, but if someone starts shooting at innocent people, that person won't have an oppertunity to reload before I pop him in the head, and I don't miss. Again, it's not like any of those agencies will get there in time to save you, they will get there in time to put your body into a bag. I would hope one day the world you speak of will one day exist, but it dosn't, until everyone is of one mind and one belief, the day when we are like Ants with one head Ant telling you how you shall live, who you will marry, if you can make children. What a terrable life that would be. Your free will would be gone and your life is no longer your own.  

13 Jan 2013 @ 10:19 by a-d : the way one is willing... treat animals one is also willing to treat humans who -for one reason or another can't protest/speak up.
To be allowed by someone who is pretending to be authority over you to have guns or by that person for you to be denied should not be te question at all!
Hu/man/ity should be intelligent/ loving/ caring enough to not even have to consider the need of WMD (= different from "regular" hunting weapons like bow and arrow ... ;) ) Humanity will be there pretty soon.
Right now is the Big Cleansing of those elements who will not fit into the new AGE of AQUARIUS.
The truth is: Evil has no choice but to destroy itself in the process because it is based on a lie.I'm not alone on seeing / believing this;
check "The Greatest Speech Ever Made" on Utube!  

13 Jan 2013 @ 19:38 by jerryvest : I believe that we can not solve the
gun in everyone's car, home, school, work and packing is just an armed society that needs no police or security force, everyone is able to solve their personal problems or concerns with their own weapons. Seems to me this is not an advanced or safe society to live in. Isn't there a reasonable response to help people feel safe and secure in their homes, schools and neighborhoods with out guns and violence. We are beyond primitive cultures and have little dignity and respect as human beings who join together with values of loving kindness, respect and "brotherly-sisterly" love. Fear is the Big Danger!!! It is for this reason that until our leadership gets rid of all of the WMD, humanity will be less fearful. We are using these Weapons and all Weapons as a means to show the world we are powerful and will take anyone and everyone out of life if messed with. Not a Reasonable approach to secure us as a nation or human being. We are One Humanity.  

17 Jan 2013 @ 00:39 by jerryvest : My Hufington Post comment:
Obama Gun Control Proposals Unveiled, Marking Biggest Legislative Effort In A Generation
Commented Jan 16, 2013 at 12:24:10 in Politics

“Thank you, Mr. President. I am so thankful we have a president who cares about life, health, safety, security and resources to protect our children, youth and families. Like he reminded us, we are a society that must pull together to secure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Come on you gun addicts, get a life and think about your own children and our communities. It's time to stand up to these Big gun lobbies and other dangerous corporations (big oil, big pharmas, big banks, big shots) that don't care about their consumers, only about their profits, power and control.”  

17 Jan 2013 @ 16:05 by jerryvest : Great Disease is our Gun Culture
Murders, Shootings And Gun Sales Per Day: An Average Day In United States

Commented Jan 17, 2013 at 10:29:53 in Crime

“Fear based gun ownership is equivalent to a disease with only one cure....take them out of home, school, community, church, and replace them with compassion, love, understanding, reason, self respect and dignity. Gun lovers are very ill as our community and society experience these epidemics of violence. Ask yourselves, what is your purpose in Life and why do you think you were created as a unique being? I suggest you all awaken your Consciousness and get a life without harmful weapons. Set a healthy example for next generations as you are all teaching our youth to solve problems with their guns.”

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17 Jan 2013 @ 20:15 by jerryvest : My response to Gun Addicts
Murders, Shootings And Gun Sales Per Day: An Average Day In United States

Commented Jan 17, 2013 at 15:09:45 in Crime

“During this time in our history as uncivilized beings using guns to protect and secure their beliefs is only contributing to these killings of innocent children. Guns are not solutions to any problems as we've experienced throughout our history and the love affair you have with weapons of destruction. ”  

18 Jan 2013 @ 00:50 by jerryvest : When will we ever Learn from Children?
“Right, everyone must pack a weapon to protect themselves from our government who wishes to take them away. thank you, keith and others who see the insanity of the NRA and their membership.”

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Gun Found In Seven-Year-Old's Backpack At Wave Preparatory Elementary School In Queens

Commented Jan 17, 2013 at 19:29:09 in New York

“This child brought a gun to school and the gun advocatres continue to promote them. Any teacher want to pack a weapon and kill a 7 yr. old? God, these gun addicts have created a society that is safe for no one...including our children and families.”  

18 Jan 2013 @ 20:23 by jerryvest : Let the discussion go further....
Thank you for addressing this issue with other college presidents and schools this Spring. This conversation is long overdue. Also, please go to the root cause of these massive attacks throughout our society. Perhaps giving kids cowboy guns as children created this attachment to weapons as we grow older. However, there is little to no talk about WMD's. Our government has the greatest force in the world with these weapons that can destroy our planet and life as we know it. Our society is no longer a safe place to be for children,youth and families for many reasons and with our military might, power and control systems, nothing is in a safe mode. Please add reason, freedom,health, dignity, respect, honesty, integrity, loving-kindness and responsibility to your discussion. See some more discussion on our Culture of Guns: {link:}  

29 Jan 2013 @ 18:05 by jerryvest : Newtown guns & NRA thrive....
Neil Heslin, Father Of Newtown Victim, Heckled By Pro-Gun Activists (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

Commented Jan 29, 2013 at 09:11:01 in Politics

“This is a very sad story about our Country that cares so little about our children that guns are more valued than life, health, education, social services and relationships. Think about empathy and compassion if your children were murdered and slaughtered while innocently attending class, in a movie, on the street, in the's happening every day somewhere in America---home of the NRA!!! The behavior of the gun advocates is insane and they should all be evaluated before given a license. (look at the cowboys in the video)”  

30 Jan 2013 @ 02:23 by jerryvest : 4 kids from same family murdered.....
Ronnie Chambers Death: Mother Loses Fourth Child To Gun Violence, 6 Other People Killed In Chicago
Commented Jan 28, 2013 at 12:46:47 in Chicago

“Well, it seems to me that Chicago should contract with some country to serve as protectors for our youth and families. We lose more kids in Chicago than soldiers in Afghan. Perhaps our military could be of better service on the streets of our big cities since guns are so readily accessible.”  

30 Jan 2013 @ 19:28 by jerryvest : More killings Daily--Anyone "listening"
Phoenix Office Shooting: Multiple Injuries Reported In Attack At Arizona Workplace

Commented Jan 30, 2013 at 14:19:30 in Crime

“Guns kill people accidentially and purposely...would be good if everyone took a Martial Art and secured their courage, strength, coordination and balance.....unfortunately, people choose guns and meds over exercise, health and wellbeing. Also, is great for kids who are bullied by their gun packing stars, parents and others who don't teach by example

Hadiya Pendleton Dead: Chicago Teen Who Performed At Inaugural Events Fatally Shot

Commented Jan 30, 2013 at 12:21:48 in Chicago

“This is such a sad and continuing story about the loss of life by the culture of guns in our society. I think Chicago should call out the Nat'l. Guard to protect our children, youth and families. As we become more aware that we are in a state of gun war on our streets, schools, theaters, homes, business and everywhere, our Law Enforcement officials can no longer protect us in society. We are literally in the wild west gun shows with people caring more for their weapons than their families. This is no longer a civilized Country....time to find a solution, but can't count on our governing bodies as they don't have any sense at all and created this mess in the first place. NRA types rule for reasons they work for the gun corporations and secured with vast wealth themselves. Is it any wonder more than 1/2 of our population are now diagnosed with a MH Disorder and taking these dangerous meds. WE are one of the most destructive societies in the World...ask our vets returning from over a decade of wars...and, they are no longer served or cared for as they return from deployments.

30 Jan 2013 @ 23:39 by jerryvest : More Madness....sad state of affairs.
Super User·733 Fans· vajara.

This loss is tragic and we must stop the killing...guns kill innocent people and this beautiful girl had so much to live for...created unique and perfect....I have a granddaughter who looks just like Hadiya. Remember as you read this appeal to turn in your guns as they may get in the hands of others: The sum or total of humanity is equal and supported by all our parts...We are One.....Just stop this madness about and with guns. Fear brings us Closer to the Truth, without weapons of destruction. {link:}  

31 Jan 2013 @ 02:41 by jerryvest : Fly Flags at Half Mast for our Children

1 hour agoVajara

Our Flags in America should fly at 1/2 Mass for everyone. These killings are tragic and a lesson for us to become loving and kind....without weapons to protect us. Guns kill kids like they do adults, they don't protect us from others, our Courage to be Ourselves is the solution to these murders.

Hadya, I'm sorry that you lost your life so that others may live. You are truly an American Hero today as Congress and our Nation discuss how to prevent further loss. God Bless you My Darling.  

31 Jan 2013 @ 21:14 by jerryvest : The Root or Cause of our Gun Culture..
Chuck Hagel, John McCain Clash Over Iraq Surge (VIDEO)

Commented Jan 31, 2013 at 16:02:08 in Politics

“My concern is that most if not all of the committee continue to support having the greatest military might in the World, including WMD's. Seems that we are seeing results of this kind of reasoning and lack of social consciousness every day with the gun culture created by these politicians. They are responsible for every death on the battle field, school, community, and country with this inability to negotiate and plan for Peace, not more Wars.”

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KenInd on Jan 31, 2013 at 16:05:06

“Since America is so 'Christian', perhaps it ought to weight these words when determining its 'military might':

'Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.' (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)”  

1 Feb 2013 @ 15:32 by jerryvest : Father discusses Protection is Right Act

4 Feb 2013 @ 18:00 by jerryvest : 7.3 Billion Predators endanger life...
7.3 Billion Predators roaming our planet...the homo erectus beings lost in time and space... Gray Wolves, Homo Sapiens and Other Endangered Species

Thomas Magstadt, Op-Ed: What you’ll discover is that wolves, like fair-minded Israelis, are an endangered species. By what reckoning do they deserve sudden death after surviving for eons before homo erectus, our early ancestors, appeared on the scene? With 7.3 billion predatory humans now crawling over the length and breadth of the planet, it seems there’s no room for wild animals that eat the tame animals we eat. Not in Russia. Not in Scandinavia. Not in Canada. And, sadly, not for even one lone gray wolf in Kansas.

13 Feb 2013 @ 19:41 by jerryvest : I have continued this discussion
on my Forum: {link:}

I am surprised that more of our community do not respond to this disgraceful and killer culture that has lost its way and joined the NRA approach that wants teachers to pack weapons in their classes and anyone big enough to pull a trigger and hold a weapon should purchase their favorite gun without any checks or requirements.  

22 Feb 2013 @ 18:09 by jerryvest : Guns in our Schools?
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Pure crazy to think the teaching-learning experience can be sustained in a classroom or school with guns accessble and available. No one talks about the bullies who fill the ranks of the gun owner's-addict's population, but their kids learn early on that to settle disputes, go for your weapon. We are also living in a climate of unemployment, fear, ignorance, prejudice and hate so don't be surprised about these mass murders when much of the population is living from paycheck to payday or standing in the unemployment line.

Give Reason a Chance before you arm our teachers and schools with guns. And, teachers, don't walk into your school or classroom where guns exist....not an environmet to teach and learn.

View pics of guns in the classroom:


26 Feb 2013 @ 02:12 by jerryvest : Beware of the Gun Toteing babies...
Perhaps these gun toteing and threatening human beings don't know what to do without their guns. They have grown up with them in their cribs and now they are crying out like a bunch of 'big' babies. They are dangerous as they carry a gun close as they are very insecure individuals, and, often for good reasons according to their reason. However, guns kill and when they are in human hands with someone who is angry, agitated with delecate and sensitive emotions--beware! Taking their guns=taking their pacifier and trusting friend. I recommend that those of you getting upset about my assessment, join your true Nature and love everyone and everything that supported you to this place in your life. Don't think about 'taking life', get a life without weapons that kill us and other beautiful creatures.  

26 Feb 2013 @ 16:48 by jerryvest : Have you noticed how many of these
gun advocates, including the NRA, see themselves as protectors of others with their big fantacies of being Bat Man, Robin and other comic book characters fighting for the safety and security of our society. When if fact, they just do the opposite. They are unconscious and unaware of what life would be like without these weapons of mass destruction. Certainly they are stuck in their shadows of fear and projection of beliefs that are fanatical and dangerous. Come on teachers, health workers, police and others stand up for safety and security of our country using our resources to support and improve the quality of lives, health and relationships. Just stop the destruction of children, youth and families by offering alternatives to fear, ignorance and prejudice.  

8 Mar 2013 @ 00:51 by jerryvest : More on the crazy gun policy...
Rand Paul Says He And Half His Staff Members Carry Rifles, Elaborates On Appropriate Use Of Lethal Force

Commented Mar 7, 2013 at 15:05:54 in Politics- Huffington Post

“Paul is such a hipocrit....spends 13 hrs. talking about the dangers of the drones as killing machines and he and his staff packing weapons for fear of others....they are afraid of their own shadows where they live their lives out as insecure fearful beings. Give life and health a chance without fear and insecurity...find your courage to be true to yourself.”


Gun Trafficking Bill Approved By Senate Committee

Commented Mar 7, 2013 at 13:26:28 in Politics

“How about giving up guns and allowing our police forces to serve us with their knowledge and skills. How about recognizing that these guns you wish to carry to secure your safety only threaten those of us who wish to live in a civilized society, not one that you have created with your fear and insecurity. We are not the moral police, you fear the shadows in your life without any awareness or concern about humanity, nature and personal responsibility.”  

12 Jun 2013 @ 13:29 by jerryvest : Yes, we have a "Gun Culture"
April McDaniel Shot: Woman Killed As 11 More Are Wounded In Citywide Gun Violence Overnight

Commented Jun 11, 2013 at 20:10:25 in Chicago

“These are all gun cultural developments...we boys were given these guns early on and enjoyed playing with them...we also got bee-bee guns to shoot at birds, bunnies, and other moving objects. Of course we were acculturated with these weapons continually for many of us going into the military many others make a sport of hunting....animals, many too extinction...our Wolves are endangered here in NM where they have an open season on them....cruel world we are living in if we have any empathy for others who share our Planet. Yes we have a Gun Culture that has gotten way out of alignment and out of balance. Wake up and see what you are teaching your children about the sport of killing ourselves and everything that moves--without awareness.”  

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