Our Mad Mad World: Communal Capitalism    
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picture13 Jun 2009 @ 23:10, by Paul Quintanilla

Here's an excerpt from one of my novels, In the Land of the Dacks, for you to chaw on, if so inclined. It deals with basic economics and hopefully is thought provoking....... The scene takes place in a penal colony in Dackland where our hero, a young American, skeptically questions his Dack host..... A man nicknamed Fisch because he smells like a fish. There isn't much in the way of hygiene in the Colony.

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"What is this Communal Capitalism of yours?" I finally asked. "What is this system you're always talking about? I never heard of it before. And what makes it so superior to the American way?"

I was already certain this would be something basically theoretical and unworkable. Fundamentally preposterous, in short, and had already begun to condescend to this system which I had never heard of. After all, it seemed limited only to this tiny country of the Dacks, and hadn't made any worldwide inroads.

"Very well," Fisch seriously smiled, shifting his physical position. "I will explain it to you. Perhaps I may even convert you? Ha ha. Do you think I can?" His eyes were quite gleeful as he asked this, as if he had read my mind.

"Maybe," I politely answered, not believing of course he could. Wondering if my face had given me away?

"Professor Noah Strongtree, my mentor at the university, offered the world a route out of the modern economic dilemma and it deserves attention and respect. It is an alternative to the competing systems which dominate the world."

"I'm listening." Well into my second rum I could have listened to anything now, even another cockamamie assault on my world. "Go ahead, I'm game," I said. "Please tell me what this economic system is all about."

"Look. In your modern America, in your own Capitalist wonderland, your giant corporations constantly portray themselves as great benefactors, as leaders of human progress sensitive to the public good. They promise great wealth and power to anyone who can join them, to those who 'can win the game,' as you put it. Let us go back, then, to the basic roots of your Capitalist superpower. Let us examine the modest origins from which it inexorably expanded and grew. The little stalls and stands in primitive marketplaces where simple tradespersons sold their wares and goods, hoping, some of them, to become rich. This simple desire to engage in trade to benefit oneself is a very fundamental desire, a basic human activity. And an aggressive, enterprising Capitalist can always discover innovative means to better himself. For Capitalism permits the free and unbounded expression of this great acquisitive energy. Do you follow?"

"I see what you're saying, sure," I said, sipping from my chilled glass of powerful rum. Yes, there greedy people out there. But not everyone is greedy, I thought. The few don't necessarily ruin it for the many. Could Fisch see this basic logic?

"Capitalism, therefore, is the economic system of the lowest common denominator. That is why it has been so successful. Any idiot can be a Capitalist and many Capitalists are idiots. All over the world millions upon millions of eager and ambitious entrepreneurs daily take their chances hoping for success, to eventually become wealthy and powerful. Some claw their way to the top, others fall by the wayside crushed by many overwhelming heartless realities. But there are always new aspirants prepared to take their places. Capitalism has always been open to anyone willing to take a chance, play the game. Capitalism invites innovation and rewards hard work and ruthless competition. It rewards the most cunning, the best players, the most ruthless. Would you not agree?"

"Well, I suppose so," I warily said. "With some of what you say at least." I was forced by Fisch's overall direction to be reminded, once again, of the American robber barons, those shady turn-of-the-century figures in their black silk top hats, frock coats and thick brown cigars who rapaciously acquired enormous fortunes. The Goulds, the Fricks, the Harrimans, and so on. Though Fisch's tone and attitude, I thought, was also rather demeaning: insulting all those ordinary hardworking decent people in business attempting to provide some comfort and stability for their families. And I thought there was a somewhat primitive edge to Fisch's words, reflective too, I felt, of his envious thirdworld background.

"Yes, Capitalism is the economic system of the lowest common denominator," Fisch thoughtfully continued. "There is no system lower, perhaps, except scavenging, or those basic agricultural and hunting societies where trade doesn't even exist. And the world owes much to the growth of the merchant class. I admit it! For I seek the truth and am only interested in truth. I must allow the chips to fall where they may. And those earliest seminal merchants who stood up against the power of the aristocracy, the king and the church brought many benefits to the world. Including our ideas of modern democracy which elevate the individual and proclaim his basic dignity and worth. Much good came from the nascent middleclass besides the seeds of the current world crisis. The cancer which is spreading everywhere across the Earth. Do you not agree?"

I shrugged and noncommittally nodded. A cancer spreading across the Earth? There has always been a malaise, I thought, lurking just beneath the overall surface of things. That, I thought, should be apparent, as well as the inspiration for many religious and philosophical debates. But, frankly, I didn't know one way or another which way the world was actually heading. Or what our future would be. All I knew now is that I had been entirely cut off from nearly all of it.

Fisch continued on his line of thought: "All other advanced economic systems have been utopian. They rely on human goodwill and intelligence, a formula guaranteed to fail. That is why Capitalism, as the economic system of the lowest common denominator, has been so successful. There are no natural constraints upon it. It encourages and rewards aggressiveness and fierce competition, what you in America define as rugged individualism, and freedom, true freedom, the freedom, finally, to become rich and powerful. The basis for your white bread Capitalism."

Fisch paused, inquisitively eyeing me. Did he wonder if I understood, agreed? If I would interrupt or object? But I remained quiet, listening. Drinking my rum. I was almost accustomed by now to his slights.

"On the other hand, Communism requires the state to control all the means of production. This inevitably leads to stagnation, inefficiency, deep corruption. Workers are offered a safe sinecure and fail to produce. Since the benefits of greed are denied they lapse into a cynical indifference. They have no incentive, no future, no true creative horizons. The only way up is through the bureaucracy and this inevitably leads to more incompetence and corruption. For bureaucracies reward naked ambition at the expense of integrity, true ability, and creativity. In fact, creativity is seen as a threat by the incompetents on the way up. Would you not agree?"

"I know nothing about civil service."

"Yes, Marxism was a brilliant nineteenth century analysis of the predatory and ruthlessly manipulative nature of Capitalism. Its followers, though, corrupted it, and destroyed millions of lives in order to obtain their ideal. But no system which requires millions of lives is worth the expenditure."

"Yes," I murmured. You would get no argument out of me over that one, I thought. "Sure, Communism is pretty evil."

"So we have had two fundamental economic systems in our modern era, both, in their own ways, based upon exploitation. Democratic Socialism is a humane way out of the dilemma, the two competing systems. It offers freedom and dignity to the individual while providing for the overall needs of society. But a constant tension between man's natural acquisitiveness and society's broader needs thwarts this logical system. Socialism is fragile, for man's selfish greed and desire for power are constantly undermining it. It is another system requiring goodwill and intelligence. That is why the welfare states of Europe, and of the rest of the world, too, may finally loose out to Capitalism, the system of the lowest common denominator, openly accommodating, as it does, a far greater mass of humanity, promoting and unleashing greed. And as we know men are willing to die over that."

Fisch paused an instant, staring at me as if to see if I still followed, how I was reacting. If I would begin to argue with him. Go ahead, I thought, I'm listening, I'm listening, and sipped again from my rum.

"I see Communal Capitalism, as Professor Noah Strongtree so beautifully, eloquently, described it so long ago within our late lamented academic lecture hall, as a way out of these fundamental dilemmas. It is a system which doesn't impede businessmen and merchants from becoming rich. It encourages trade! And even supports and promotes the entrepreneurial spirit, for free trade is an expression of democracy too. And no one should deny a merchant his innate dignity and worth, his freedom, if you will. No one should attempt to thwart his humanity and basic nature. In our modern era intellectuals and artists have always looked down upon the merchant class, the bourgeoisie. And Socialism, as an economic and social system, also reflects that aristocratic contempt. It rebukes and scorns the vulgar materialism of the middle and upper classes. It rebukes greed and selfishness as if its own moral and intellectual superiority were a self-evident, conclusive argument. As if greed and selfishness alone were proofs why Socialism is superior. But any philosophy which runs contrary to human nature cannot succeed. Man's basic nature must be taken into account and utopian schemes are always bound to fail, no matter how noble and shining their aspirations. And though their utopian nobility may attract numerous dreamers, a majority of the intellectuals and artists, they are sustained only by beautiful ideas, mere ideals, which humanity, in its mass, may even pay lip service to, but will daily ignore in its own strivings to better itself."

I nodded my head, silently agreeing. What he said made sense, I thought. What's more, the rum was also swiftly rising now to my head.

"But beautiful ideas may eventually come into their own too," Fisch continued. "Listen to me carefully. Yes, there is such a thing as human progress. The earliest democracy, as expounded in Ancient Greece, was thoroughly utopian and idealistic in nature and inevitably failed. But that primitive system's noble sentiments still live on today and actually contained, back then, the seeds for our own advanced forms of democracy, a worldly democracy which recognizes human frailty with its numerous checks and balances. Communal Capitalism, John, is another step on the road of that journey. It merely expands your own Bill of Rights, attempting to finish the job your Founding Fathers, the radicals and revolutionaries of their age who hoped for a fairer and just world, began. By unleashing the truth it first recognizes human nature and then codifies the strict and fair standards of society."

"How does this thing stick together," I interrupted. "How is it different from other idealistic systems. I mean, I don't quite see what you're getting at. What would prevent the greediest and most powerful from eventually just taking over?"

"A good question. Yes, it too is vulnerable to an even lower common denominator than the acquisitive spirit. To violence and militarism and war. There are always threats to any system. For no one can check humanity in its lowest widespread folly. If Communal Capitalism contains an artificial element which doesn't surrender to the acquisitive spirit it is in demanding that the basic needs of society must be met. These are all brought to the surface. That the law must be obeyed. And that no one may trample on the rights of others. Express your entrepreneurial spirit, we say. Employ all your energies to better yourself! Fine! That is the way you are! We do not want to stand in your way. But you may not enrich yourself at the expense of others. For what Communal Capitalism does is put all the facts on the table, openly speaks truth about the realities, recognizing them, and establishes a system of laws, checks and balances, if you will, which safeguard the overall rights of society. The golden rule of the Communal Capitalist is that an individual may not enrich himself at the expense of the community."

But I thought I saw a hole in his argument. "If man is greedy, and always seeking power, then how would your system contain greed and power. How would you prevent this just society from being subverted by aggressive selfish Capitalists?"

"With the truth," Fisch said, his face beaming.

He appeared now as if he were sharing a great transcendent revelation with me. As if openly airing this philosophy of his made him enormously happy. "With the truth. The power of truth. That is the beauty of the Communal Capitalist system. For it calls a spade a spade. It openly brings out the realities. Euphemisms, regarding social conduct, double-speak, as your great English poet George Orwell so brilliantly put it, would cease to exist. For society would demand its basic rights through the truth. And within that glorious context all social conduct would be judged. Our constitution, building upon your American constitution, the Bill of Rights, would install a system which recognizes predatory and unfair behavior. It would cut through the fog bank of obfuscation and double-speak to pure truth and reality. And upon this sound moral basis would judge any entrepreneur's greed as 'Overreach.' Overreach would become the great crime, the cardinal sin against society. Those judged of Overreach would be severely penalized. For it would be imperative in a Communal Capitalist society to protect everyone's, absolutely everyone's, fundamental rights."

"You think truth has that much power?"

"Yes. I do. In any modern Capitalist society, any rigid, top down system, or authoritarian state, the truth is always the first casualty, the great enemy of the Overreacher. For truth truly is a cleansing and clarifying fire. Tear down the walls of obfuscation and those numerous self-serving lies which prop up an Overreacher dissolve. For no Overreacher can justify himself unless evil finally becomes a positive moral cause. Yes, Communal Capitalism makes a fundamental correction to that modern liberal elitism which has so disdained the materialism of the bourgeoisie. Rather than fight that materialism it embraces it, accepts it as a natural expression of human nature. But no one may ever Overreach. This most fundamental of ideals still remains. For if a system can not at least depend upon a very minimum of human decency then there is no hope for us."

"No hope for us?"

"No hope for us."



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16 comments

15 Jun 2009 @ 21:36 by a-d : IF we truly
choose the TRUTH/fulness as our Guiding Light... we very quickly (will) realize the idiocy to even use the word --let alone the CONCEPT of-- "Capitalism" at all!!!... methinks.coz in such case, we would use money as a TOOL for NOTHING but THIRD PARTY TRADING!..... We would start with EVERY PERSON in a (given) Community receiving a starting capital of equal size/amount: ONE FULL YEARS FULLTIME WORK HOURS: appr.1500 hours or we can even it out to 2000 Work hours (that's a heck of a work year!) ALL Work of ANY kind would be valued EQUALLY IMPORTANT and hence ONLY by the TIME needed to make the Result come into practical, all People (and indeed ALL LIFE/forms) -Community- benefitting fruition!

A/ny Community might decide to give a Start Capital to ALL its Members for instance of FIVE YEARS WORTH of Work = 10.000 Work hours. "Now, go out and trade Products to your Heart's content!" the only Products are: THINGS we need, SERVICE we need, and INFORMATION we need (to make everybody's life worthwhile!) "things" beyond that are nothing but relics from the old way of thinking: from the SICK CONSUMER Capitalism

ANY OTHER SYSTEM is CORRUPT from its very first inception!  



15 Jun 2009 @ 23:31 by quinty : Another approach

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

I like the idea of equal pay for all professions.

Can we ever reach such a state, where individuals enter a profession solely for its benefits of skill, challenge, intelligence, talent? Considering the races the human race appears to be in - climate change, healthcare, war, mutual self destruction, etc. - the centuries it might take to reach such a state seem very far off.  



16 Jun 2009 @ 04:21 by a-d : There are already
cities /communities doing exactly this kind of Local Currency(officially only to complement the Official Currency -- and of course...that IS true! ... *!*) that I'm talking about and they are VERY happy with it (coz it is fare easier than "regular" Lets system, where you have to have a Central Computer system to keep Everybody's Barter Hours registered and in store so to speak --to the time the Owner of the Hours need buy/barter )for) something! Straight "Hour "Dollars" eliminates a major hassle point!

Those who are proned to UNFAIRNESS and like it as an option (to be used towards themselves -as well) fine... they can still continue to keep it!.... *!* The more this Hour Dollar wins terrain, the more the crooked minded will see what they are losing !... Besides, the more in harmony we live with Universal/Cosmic Laws and principles, the way LIFE has it all set up; the less war, mutual self destruction etc will we have!... what else is this all about if not another form to express and live a life from a higher consciousness!.... If NOT ...then why stick to truth either???... as if that was easier with the mindset you took up in your response; THE CROOKED MIND! the one we have operating right now!...To introduce 100% solid truth/fulness to THAT mind/set... I don't think THAT would work! a radical CHANGE in the current cannibalistic monetary system is much closer than one might dare to hope!

Here's some Food for Thought: http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=886
http://www.transaction.net/money/cc/cc01.html just to mention a few (ideas of & )discussions with B.L.

David Korten is another very visionary yet down to Earth guy with (better ) money systems on his mind! http://www.yesmagazine.org/default.asp
http://www.yesmagazine.org/default.asp

THANKS, Quinty for taking up this Subject/topics!...it Sooo important!  



16 Jun 2009 @ 04:34 by a-d : I just opened my e-mail,
after responding to your comment...and what do I find there!?... :-) D.K. "hard at work to keep us all abrest with "what most likely will happen", "what can happen in its wake", so to speak, etc! Here:
http://www.yesmagazine.org/newsletters/jun09launch/jun09launch_web.html?utm_source=jun09launch&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NH_html

This interview is fantastic! http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=886

When People adhere to their TRUE NATURE!
http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?id=3467&utm_source=jun09launch&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=N36_tnRev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVYqFPq88VU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyesmagazine%2Eorg%2Farticle%2Easp%3Fid%3D3467%26utm%5Fsource%3Djun09launch%26utm%5Fmedium%3Demail%26utm%5Fcampaign%3DN36%5FtnRev&feature=player_embedded  



20 Dec 2009 @ 00:51 by Yiannis @212.50.118.77 : great stuff
Hi , i would like to express my truw admiration for this dialog . After watching " The corporation" by or with michael moor i was looking for the term communal capitalism as i thought it best described the new superpower china .... but the very curious thing is the las sentence of the extract :
"For if a system can not at least depend upon a very minimum of human decency then there is no hope for us."

thanks  



21 Dec 2009 @ 16:37 by quinty : Thanks Yiannis

I had thought I made the term "Communal Capitalism" up. But searching the web someone apparently beat me to it. And may have laid claim to it. And has a stake to it. But I think I'll keep it anyway as an expression of public/private cooperation.

Yeah, I suppose there is no system on earth which can not be screwed up, no matter what the checks and balances. At the present moment we are facing a possible global disaster. Can we, the human race, sensibly come together long enough to avert it?

I don't have the answer to that one.

Have a good day.  



27 Apr 2012 @ 20:37 by Stephen @70.160.241.50 : Communal capitalism
Who determines the truth? Who defines overreach? What is greed? What is selfishness. Creativity limited is absent creativity on the one hand, and where do inventments come from on the other. And then there is the fact that "communal capitalism" is an oxymoron.  


3 May 2012 @ 20:50 by quinty : On the "fact...."
An "oxymoron?" You can find public and private sector cooperation in many places. And they often work.

As for "creativity," no one opposes it. But there should be bounds on "exploitation" and "abuse," shouldn't there be? And does the complete economic freedom this comment implies mean that the most creative and successful should not contribute anything back?

"Greed," "selfishness," and "overreach?" Maybe Lincoln can answer the basis for that objection....

"That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles — right and wrong — throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, ‘You work and toil and earn bread, and I’ll eat it.’ No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle."  



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