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Legal Thriller Author Examines 15 Amazing Scam Artists' "Conspiracy Theory" Tricks

--On Squeaky Wheels and Grease! Scam Artists not only Squeak a lot, but Play the Court Jester as They Pick your Pockets.

The best scams are built around conspiracy theories. They afford the ultimate shell game, and read much like a legal thriller novel.


Because these give the scam artist "cover." They fortify him with an automatic defense against his critics. They exonerate him from past failures. And, importantly, they provide an excuse for future delays, give him time to run for cover when everything collapses. In other words, they create the perfect stage setting from which to operate.

The con man closely follows a sacrosanct principle: Lie in good faith. Whichever tool best enables him to distort, exaggerate, disguise, or confuse is one he wants to add to his tool kit, and, by closely following the "conspiracy theory" approach to his cons, he accomplishes this.

Overall, a well-developed conspiracy theory is a great rallying theme. It blends like minds, mutual resolve, shared purpose, goals. It breeds collective paranoia. There is, therefore, a set of basic rules the scam artist follows in producing this highly-desired atmosphere of "communal harmony" to embellish his "pitch. Accomplishing this enables him to fully exploit his scam in all of its ramifications. Hence, these are those rules-of-the-game he follows, rules to watch for, in order to protect yourself to the fullest.

1. Get your sucker-audience to focus on some elaborate conspiracy, one dedicated to stomping on courageous visionaries like yourself--you, the scam artist, being the one who is able to cut through the enemy's monopoly and use his investors' funds wisely to bestow benefits upon them--earn money, save money, attain awards, merits, fame--never before dreamed possible. If the victims fully subscribe to your hogwash, they will earn Brownie points along the way. Good mind game.

(The con man has a different view of people in general than you might: If you feed a man a fish, you will feed him for a day; if you teach a man to fish, he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.)

2. Now, get your foot in the door. Light a fire under your sucker-audience. Get them, as a group, so excited that they would be ready to go bear hunting with a stick, should you so command. Talk about your valiant battles with some government bureaucracy or private organization. Get them stomping mad and eager to join you in your crusade against "them."

3. Dispensing learned counsel in rapid-fire bursts, talk bravely about your battles with the bad guys trying to steal, or bury, your ideas. Fearlessly claim that you will shred,
obliterate, destroy your records before you will permit the indignity of allowing these to fall into "their" hands. Whip your flock into a frenzy, figuratively ready to chase a tornado in a convertible with the top down.

4. In addition to your "base" enemy, faceless government agencies of many types also make good whipping boys. These must also be made out to be "the enemy" you must bravely fight. Cite examples of their misdeeds. Cite the Law of Bureaucracy they follow: Nothing is ever accomplished by being reasonable.

5. Don't fear investors who defect. There will always be some. Most will feel they've been suckered, and be too embarrassed to make a lot of noise about their misfortunes (of dealing with you). With the few who will protest too loudly, call them agents of the "Big Conspiracy" operating against you.
("Do you see how they infiltrate?" you will ask of your loyal followers.)

6 Bury all attacks against you in a wave of minutia. Create enough distractions to mesmerize these people, put them to sleep over endless, meaningless detail. Tire them to the point where they will do anything to avert further debate, if only to stay awake. (Here you can well adapt another Law of Bureaucracy, this one to your own advantage: No amount of genius will ever circumvent management's preoccupation with detail.)

7. Freely and frequently threaten your detractors with lawsuits. It will make a high percentage of them run for the tall grass, shut their mouths in fear. To many of your suckers this would be equally as shocking as watching the news on TV and unexpectedly seeing their attorney being accompanied from the court house steps in

8. Be the true crusader in every way. Stick closely to the Scam Artist's Parable: To thine own self be true, and lie like hell to everyone else. Say you are not in this for the money. Piously proclaim your altruistic intent: to save humanity.

9. Make your pitch to groups of people who have had faith, trust, and American Way values instilled in them from birth. Many groupings of senior citizens, religious types, family farmers fill this bill. These are your primary targets.

10. Among other preferred groups are those already pre-conditioned to accepting conspiracy theories, like those who believe in the Flat Earth Society, in UFO cover-ups, and in JFK assassination plots.

11. Always get your victims to focus on theory and abstractions. When their minds stray from this, fog their attention, get it away from any kind of evidence which can be measured. (This is especially important when trying to pawn off worthless, hi-tech junk.)

12. Be bold, loud. Make your claims and proclamations to all who will hear. People tend to think something so transparently out in the open could not possibly be a fly-by-night operation.

13. Shoot for only a small, initial amount of up-front money. Maybe $69, say, for a tape, DVD, and / or an information kit of some kind.. This, on the premise that, once the sucker has paid a bit of his required dues,, it's easier to squeeze more out.

14. You must get your investors to forfeit their rights to legal action any way you can. Give them a--"ho hum, just routine"-- document to sign. Pull this out from under a pile of documents, as if it is so insignificant it almost got lost. Or, hide your disclaimer in a nondisclosure agreement, in the smallest of small print you can arrange with your printer to crank out. Object being to make your victim think his eyeballs would bleed if he tried to read it.

15. Enlist a small sub-group of the most gullible to help you recruit more suckers. (If you, as a potential participant, pay heed to the urgings of these discombobulated people, it would be like listening to a rap group which could easily be named, Insane Clown Posse.)

It's all a head shaker. Trying to cut through the haze and figure the con man's' psychological approach is much like being forced into making a choice between having double vision and hearing a constant echo. But, it's worth the effort. Once you do sort it out and finally understand how to zero in on all of these traits and mannerisms, the working pattern of the scam artist will be clearly spelled out for you. It is only then that you will be in the best position to protect yourself from any kind of curve ball he will throw your way.

If you'd like to have more self-esteem, but don't think you deserve it, look at it this way: This is a circumstance under which there is never a better time to procrastinate.




21 Feb 2009 @ 19:06 by vaxen : ♥♥♥
Erase my grandfather's name at Yad Vashem

January 31, 2009

Source : Le Monde

by Jean-Moïse Braitberg

Mr. President of the State of Israel, I am writing to you to intervene with the appropriate authorities to withdraw, from the Yad Vashem memorial dedicated to the memory of Jewish victims of Nazism, the name of my grandfather, Moshe Brajtberg, gassed at Treblinka in 1943, and those of other members of my who family died during deportation to various Nazi camps during World War II. I ask you to honor my request, Mr. Chairman, because what took place in Gaza, and more generally, the injustices to the Arab people of Palestine for sixty years, disqualifies Israel to be the center of the memory of the harm done to Jews, and thus to all humanity.

You see, since my childhood, I lived in amongst survivors of the death camps. I saw the numbers tattooed on their arms, I heard the story of torture; I knew the impossible grief and I shared their nightmares. I was taught that these crimes must never happen again, that never again must man, because of ethnicity or religion despise other man, mock his Human Rights of living a safe, dignified life, without barriers, and hope, so remote be it, of a future of peace and prosperity.

Yet Mr. President, I note that despite dozens of resolutions adopted by the international community, despite the glaring evidence of the injustices done to the Palestinian people since 1948, despite the hopes raised in Oslo, and despite the recognition of the right of Israeli Jews to live in peace and security, repeatedly reaffirmed by the Palestinian Authority, the only answers given by successive governments of your country have been violence, bloodshed, confinement, incessant controls, colonization, deprivations.

You'll tell me Mr. President, that Israel has the right to defend itself against people launching rockets into Israel, or suicide bombers that destroy innocent Israeli lives. My response to that is that my humanism doesn't vary according to the nationality of the victims.

Yet you, Mr. President, you lead the destiny of a country which claims not only to represent the Jews as a whole, but also the memory of those who were victims of Nazism. This is what concerns me and that I find unacceptable.

By displaying the names of my family members at the Yad Vashem Memorial, in the heart of the state of Israel, your state imprisons my family memories behind the barbed wires of zionism, and makes it hostage of a so-called moral authority which commits every day the abomination of denying justice.

So, please, remove the name of my grandfather from the shrine dedicated to cruelty against Jews so that it no longer justifies the injustice being done to the Palestinians.

Please accept, Mr. President, the assurances of my respectful consideration.

Jean-Moïse Braitberg is a French author  

21 Feb 2009 @ 21:12 by a-d : ...through the Muffler...alright!.....!
or through/inside the "Rabbit hole"!.... kiddin'! Example of Things being done (right now) in the depths of the "Rabbit hole!"  

21 Feb 2009 @ 21:27 by vaxen : Heh!
Yeah, THEY are the Organized Criminals! The State itself and all it's minions! Same as here... Down with the Feudal Oligarchy everywhere! ☺♠☻  

21 Feb 2009 @ 22:36 by a-d : DOWN with their
biggest ILLUSION WEAPON against us: their phony money!...CHANGE THAT (from "Profit" = to give SHORT-TERM-Upper-Hand-to-One AT the EXPENSE of Another!) Profit money is PHONY money BUT A REAL KILLER WEAPON-Of MASS DESTRUCTION!!!.... and bring in the more Life affirming monetary system. where money is a tool for THIRD PARTY BARTER / "TRADE"!!!

Do this, and the incentive to all EVIL /INJUSTICE IS REMOVED!!!.....  

21 Feb 2009 @ 23:15 by vaxen : Here's the hoot...
Fearing a One-State Solution, Israel's President Serves Pabulum to Washington

by Franklin Lamb / February 19th, 2009

Whatever will happen in the future, we shall not repeat the mistakes we made in leaving Gaza.

– Shimon Peres to members of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations 2/18/09

You take my water. Burn my Olive Trees. Destroy my house. Take my job. Steal my Land. Imprison my Mother. Bomb my country. Starve us all. Humiliate us all. But I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.

– Sign carried near Hyde Park Corner during a demonstration in London on 2/15/09 by a Member of the British Parliament

Ain el Helwe Palestinian Refugee Camp, Sidon, Lebanon — Israeli President Shimon Peres has participated in shaping the policies of Israel for most of its existence. His Washington Post op-ed last week billed as "a peacepartners prod" to the Obama administration, evidences a major disconnect within the government of Israel concerning what is urgently required for that country's increasingly unlikely long-term survival.

According to a CIA Study currently being shown to selected staff members on the US Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Israel's survival in its present form beyond the next 20 years is doubtful.

The Report predicts "an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region."

To President Peres' chagrin, the Executive Summary states that "during the next fifteen years more than two million Israelis, including some 500,000 Israeli citizens who currently hold US green cards or passports, will move to the United States. Most Israelis not in possession of these documents will receive 'expedited waivers.' The Report claims that, "Alongside a decline in Jewish births and a rise in Palestinian fertility, approximately 1.6 million Israelis are likely to return to their forefather's lands in Russia and Eastern and Western Europe with scores of thousands electing to stay, depending on the nature of the transition."

In his Washington Post piece President Peres desperately attempts to salvage a two-state solution from a one, a three- or even a four-state arrangement. He appears to realize that a two-state solution is seriously jeopardized unless Israel dramatically and quickly changes course. With the tacking to the right in Israel and the likely make up of the next government once Peres selects Livni or Netanyahu in the next few days, and given the swelling mood among the occupied in favor of another Intifada, Peres plaintively asserts to the Obama administration that "two states is the only realistic solution."

Peres instructed the American people and their government three times in his op-ed brief for a two-state solution, and that Israel is "the land of my forefathers." He laments that the CIA-predicted one-state solution would, "Undermine Israel's legitimacy and the internationally recognized right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state in the land of my forefathers."

Peres knows that his forefathers had no connection whatsoever to Palestine, as is the case with more than 95% of the Zionists who swept into the area over the past century and demolished close to 600 villages while expelling a majority of the native population. Historians have established that most arriving Jews were in fact Slavic converts to Judaism without any historical or genealogical nexus to Palestine or Hebrew tribes in the area.

Against the historical backdrop of the past century of nearly global rejection of colonialism, his claim of settled international acceptance of "Israel's legitimacy" is a major stretch. "Legitimacy" is what the conflict continues to be about — whether a 19th Century colonial enterprise can violently uproot and massacre an indigenous population taking over a land declaring God promised it to them, as they terrorize and expel the local inhabitants. Contrary to Peres' claim of Israel as a "legitimate State," there is no internationally recognized right for Israel to exist on stolen land without the consent of the dispossessed. Peres assures his American benefactors that Israel's legitimacy is based "in international law or morality." In point of fact, both International law and morality require the right of return of those whose lands were taken and lifting the brutal occupation. Surely Peres is aware, as the CIA Report asserts, that a majority of the 192 countries which make up the membership of the United Nations would vote this evening to establish one State of Palestine if given the chance.

The Report concludes that what went wrong will be debated for many years. In essence the problem was the premise that a "chosen people" with no link or rights to a land could impose a state by force. Many Middle East observers believe that the two-state solution is essentially over, but for the packing, finger-pointing and assuredly more violence.

Increasingly repelled by Israeli crimes, the international community is moving toward the majority position of Palestinians, and is coming to believe that the realistic solution to the Middle East conflict is one state — secular, multicultural, democratic, and based on one person one vote.

Peres is loath to accept one state and claims, in promoting a two-state solution, that he has "personally witnessed the remarkable progress we have made with the Palestinian Authority in recent years."

Does he have in mind the increasing bantustanization (what Noam Chomsky calls "unviable fragments"), the ever-snaking apartheid wall and other barriers, the illegal outposts which increased yet again last year? The blockade of and depraved slaughter in Gaza?

Or does President Peres have in mind this week's announcement by outgoing Prime Minister Olmert that Israel has the right to keep building in large West Bank settlement blocs, including Efrat, by adding 423 acres so that 21,000 more residents can join the current 9,000, according to Efrat mayor Oded Revivi? Olmert claims its part of the annexation that will be considered in a future final peace deal with the Palestinians.

President Peres has passed nearly a lifetime devoted to undermining prospects for a viable Palestinian state and offering a wink and nod to the building of more than 430 colonies while offering lip service to the "peace process." His "Message to the American People" fails to communicate what the Israeli and Palestinian public knows well about the real nature of the two-state option he has in mind and which he considers to be "the best resolution to this age-old conflict." Both populations know that the two-state option that long time politician Peres has consistently run on, is the Yigal Allon Plan.

The Allon scheme to expel the Arab population from Palestine has been Peres' electoral platform during his campaigns in 1974, 1977, 1981, 1984, and 1987 and it shaped Israel's settlement policies from 1967-1977. Peres worked to make the Allon Plan part of the 1978 Camp David agreement and 1993 Oslo Accords.

As the American public begins to stir from its long slumber on the Question of Palestine and hopefully dramatically changes American Middle East policy, it should consider that the Peres favored "moderate" Allon Plan continues to be Israeli policy. As formulated by its author and adhered to by successive Israel governments, it contains the following "moderate" elements:

* Seeking "maximum land with minimum Arabs"

* Annexes approximately 40% of the West Bank and Gaza, taking the choicest parts

* Dispossess Palestinians from land Israel wants for Jews

After Israel's attack in 1967, Yigal Allon presented to the cabinet a solution to the Arab problem. The Allon Plan called for annexing the following areas: "a strip of land ten to fifteen kilometers wide along the Jordan River; most of the Judean desert along the Dead Sea; and a substantial area around Greater Jerusalem, including the Latrun salient." The plan was crafted to include as few Arabs as possible in the area claimed for Israel and included building permanent colonies and army bases in these areas.

The two-state solution that Peres is trying to sell the American public and administration is a Palestinian "state" in 76.6% of the West Bank, carved up into sealed enclaves, with the largest of the 430 plus settlements/colonies remaining in place under Israeli sovereignty. Israel would take another 13.3% outright and continue to occupy the remaining 10.1% for a period of up to thirty years. During this period Israel would continue building new and expanding current settlement/colonies. The above percentages do not include the subtracted East Jerusalem and the territorial waters of the Dead Sea. In point of fact the 76% offer is based not on 100% of the occupied territories, but merely those parts that Israel was willing to discuss. Consequently, the "just and moral solution" President Peres favors would amount to slightly less than 16% of historic Palestine being given to those driven from their homes and land.

Peres claims Israel has worked tirelessly for peace. Yet the record is clear that Israel has only worked tirelessly for expansion at the expense of the indigenous Arab population while obstructing more than two-dozen "peace initiatives" over six decades, while targeting the Palestinian people, culture, and economy.

Peres claims in his op-ed that Libyan leader Muammar Qadaffi agrees that Israel deserves Palestine and that "this is salient in his fundamental and central premise that the Jewish people want and deserve their homeland." Peres takes Qadaffi's words out of context and misrepresents his thesis, which in fact calls for one state shared by both peoples. Qadaffi insists that the Middle East welcomes Judaism but not racist Zionism. It is the latter which underpins the founding of Israel and which has led to history's condemnation.

As the President of Israel seeks yet more indulgence and largesse from the American taxpayers and the Obama administration, there is something he can do to shore up waning trust and waxing disillusionment with the two-state option. He can announce immediately that he fully accepts UN Security Council Resolution 242 and advocates the removal of all settlements and the total withdrawal of the Israeli military from the West Bank and Gaza.

Israel's President urges the American people and government to, "commit our most concerted effort to allow two states to flourish." Unless he and his fellow leaders of Israel are prepared, without further delay, to commit to a complete withdrawal to the June 4, 1967 armistice line, in a serious effort at peace, Israel will continue to lose American and international support and one state is the likely future for Palestine.

Israeli President Peres can avert his eyes from reality, but the Obama administration and the American people cannot afford this fatal delusion.

Franklin Lamb is author of the recently released book, The Price We Pay: A Quarter Century of Israel's Use of American Weapons in Lebanon. His volume Hezbollah: A Brief Guide for Beginners is due out soon. He can be reached at Read other articles by Franklin .  

21 Feb 2009 @ 23:18 by vaxen : Indeed...
We will crush them A-d. Never fear. It's over for them and they know it. Now to prepare the wounded people of the Earth for the re-leasing of their shackles. Ah, there's the rub. Many are contented to be slaves! Oy! And they will murder us for the "opportunity!" So be it! :)

Yes, out with the old, rotten, system of usury! This is what Islam is really against as is True YaHaDUT (Judaeism) and, in truth, all true re-ligions, ethics, and morals! The money 'system' isn't based on money nor is it "MORAL!" ;) Whew!

The Deep Capture Website:  

22 Feb 2009 @ 00:08 by a-d : Great Link!
Thanks! V as in Vendetta!... V as in Victory! V as in NOWHERE to hide!... V as in NOWHERE to run!...for the Crooks!... VE know all the scams and all the places and all the NAMES on ALL of the CRIMINALS!!! A criminal is a criminal is a criminal! --and more!....VHAT is there to discuss, justify, excuse, make up "His"-story"/es about?????..... NOTHIN"!

Ah, there's the rub. Many are contented to be slaves! Oy! Naeh.... the minute they truly connect the dots...they won't support the MURDER of themselves!.... which is the next to come IF/befall ALL the "USEFUL IDIOTS"! they remain true to the crooks...just make sure more & more of these geeks understand that THAT is the name/Label used by the crooks for those supporting the crooks!.... SHOW these geeks what has happened to every one of the Useful Idiots THROUGHOUT "History" when the Useful Idiot was considered done with his/her part... they were "taken care of" and from THAT DAY FORWARD they were NEVER seen , nor heard of again.... WHEN the Slaves understand THIS...the/ir tune will change!....  

22 Feb 2009 @ 03:57 by swanny @ : The Great Confusion
feb 21 2009

The Great Confusion

Well if I wasn't so confused I'd be confused.


spring cometh me hopes

hi all

It strikes me that the problem isn't money or war
the problem is transportation and mobility

we need a new or old cleaner greener sustainable mode of transportation
for america and the world
so yes pod cars or something....
mobility we need to slow down too.... get out of our heads and smell
the roses along the road.....

but alas I am too old and battle scarred to fight anymore so I identify
the mission or concern at least and wish us well for it is perhaps a battle I must
leave to you the young and energetic.....

yes where are the pods cars or well no not teleporters but surely their
must be a more coordinated and priority mode of transport and mobility

is being so mobile worth the cost to the planet?

the auto the american dream it was nice while it lasted
but look at the cost to us and to the planet and to the future.....

rides off into the sunset on his 1989 mecury topaz

well let me know aye

feeling a bit burnt out


22 Feb 2009 @ 04:31 by a-d : The very revealing thread from


this little "dialogue" so well shows what's wrong... in our world... not least how eager (!!!????.... ) people are to support the MORALLY RIGHT!... right?

Israel is a nation that has refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Treaty (NPT), an act of omission for which other countries have been
the recipient of extensive American reproach and calumny. Does Israel
endure such--or any--diplomatic assault for its refusal? According to Aluf Ben, "The State Department has publicly supported Israel's nuclear policies and has expressed its understanding for Israel's argument that national security considerations prevent it from signing the Non-Proliferation Treaty."
Aluf Ben confidently asserts, "will continue to support Israel's nuclear policy in its fullest extent."

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they
(the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that
Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."


"I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the
man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn
him and I would make him suffer before killing him.
With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they
shall do."
[Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956]

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies -not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces,
New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Meir Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."
Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel.
It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?
They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The
Jewish Paradox), pp121.

9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,
control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

12. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians
come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the
Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

13. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab
Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land onfiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee
of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in
the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion
of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of
woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities
of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now
will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel
Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

[link] Hi jacking of JewishFaith

And I begin with some classic Peace In The Middle East statements from the Prime Minister of Israel David Ben Gurion, of course:

1949 - 1954,
1955 - 1963

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

Golda Meir
Prime Minister of Israel
1969 - 1974

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel
1974 - 1977,
1992 - 1995

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

Menachem Begin
Prime Minister of Israel
1977 - 1983

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

Yizhak Shamir
Prime Minister of Israel
1983 - 1984,
1986 - 1992

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Benjamin Netanyahu
Prime Minister of Israel
1996 - 1999

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

Ehud Barak
Prime Minister of Israel
1999 - 2001

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.
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[link] : Palestinians are increasingly rejecting the crumbs of a two-state solution in favour of justice for all in a single state, Palestine, writes Khaled Amayreh in Ramallah

As Israel ostentatiously celebrates the passage of 60 years since its creation in Palestine in 1948, more than nine million Palestinians at home and in exile are commemorating the Nakba, the violent seizure of their ancestral homeland by Zionist Jews and the dispossession, expulsion and dispersion of the bulk of Palestinians to the four corners of the globe. [Edit] [Delete]

28 Jan 2009 @ 05:21 by a-d : Is this Zionism the real
psychopathy or is it Something more Divine/ly Ordained? you ask your own Common Sense and Conscience! "Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to Kill as many Arabs as necessary, to Deport them, to Expel and Burn them, to have everyone Hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be Forced to run to us crying. Even if it means Blowing up One or Two Synagogues here and there, I don't care." ///- Israeli PM Ariel Sharon, 1982

You can read the following thread of comments here:
(NO real dialogue, though about the cruelties and how to put an end to them... and hence put and end to human inflicted harm on other humans... No nothing of sorts did come out of this posting....Quite obviously People really need to have the sh---in their own backyard, literally, before the can smell the s---. How tragic!

I personally cannot fathom how ANYbody can defend this kind of thinking followed by actions & behavior that supports this "Ideology"
This is also my experience as it is many other Life Loving Jewish people's here on NCN.
I would like to add that during Jesus time there were "Zionists" as well though they were called Pharisees and I think they were primarily the ones, who saw themselves as chosen to be the Money People. (too bad Vaxen is in the Outback... and not available for further correct Info in the subject!...but when he returns I will discuss this more thoroughly with him here ) But , I am so glad that this article is for all the Worlds Eyes to read, as to NOT MIX "things" up like "some " tend to do here and then blame others for what they themselves are guilty of! ... (mortimer hit the head of the nail!..; ) ))
Anyhooo, THIS distinction is SOOOOO important!... You all most likely read Sharon's (& and his Think-alikes for the "Benefit" of the ZIONIST State "Israel"-statement of what for purpose he thinks using REAL Jews ... NOT very caring as far as I can assess his statement!...

Jews Are NOT Zionists
The Torah Position On The
Current Conflict in Gaza

Once again, we find ourselves reading horrifying headlines regarding the unrest in the Middle East. In one long chain of tragedies and civilian bloodshed, residential neighborhoods have been transformed into war zones, the daily lives of civilians distorted by ever-present shadows of terror and fright.

Our readers have long been familiar with the Torah position; let us re-announce it boldly and clearly:

The Zionist ideology is antithetical to the Torah. Zionism was deviously designed to replace the Torah and its holy, God-given commandments with nationalistic, power-driven ideals that are devoid of holiness, godliness, or spirituality.

God-fearing Jews believe that the ultimate Redemption of the Jewish Nation will come about only through the Hands of God, and that at the time of the Redemption, peace will reign in the entire world. Any other type of forced redemption is but a sinful transgression, condemned by God and His Holy Torah.

What more proof does one need than the fact that for centuries, Jews have lived peacefully in Arabic countries, enjoying the respect and friendship of their neighbors? The tragedy of Zionism changed all of that. The painful truth is that in the eyes of the Zionist government, Jews are merely the cannon-fodder needed for the State of Israel to achieve its agenda.

Obviously, the State of Israel has absolutely no connection with either Jews or Judaism. Furthermore, Torah-true Jews did not participate in the founding of the State, and for decades, we have announced our disapproval and disassociation from the State of Israel at every opportunity.

"The following explanation clarifies this issue beautifully: Would the Jews be held responsible in a conflict between North Korea and South Korea? Obviously not! In the same way, Jews should not be held responsible for the Zionists conflicts with their neighbors. The State of Israel has as much to do with Jews and Judaism as does New Zealand or Zimbabwe," said Rabbi Hersh Lowenthal.

May it be clear to every nation, to every person in the entire world: JEWS ARE NOT ZIONISTS!

The Zionists are neither our representatives nor our spokesmen. They have absolutely no right to speak in the name of world Jewry. It is a terrible mistake to confuse Jews with Zionism, or to blame Jews for Zionist actions. We truly wish to live in peace with every nation in the world. We pray for our Jewish brethren as well as for the non-Jews in the Middle East, that they may be saved from danger and peril.

And most of all, we await that great day when G-d's glory will be revealed in the entire world, and there will be peace for all of humanity. Amen.

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31 Jan 2009 @ 02:43 by ursula : You really
are ignorant and naiive, and biased, A-d. There is no getting through to you. After all of this talk you still quote crap from Rense, as if it's valid. You will never learn or change in this regard. [Edit] [Delete]

31 Jan 2009 @ 05:42 by a-d : what ever you say!
ONLY YOU know EVERYTHING!!! we ALL know THAT! And now I am tired of your shit, so!...You go & find yourself better "PLAY grounds where you can continue spitting on People!...who find your spitting CHAAAAMING!... I don't... nor am I interested in walking in your leash, using your brain instead of my own your "Sources" instead of the ones I find...of which you know NOTHING!Wishing HAPPY TRAILS IN LIFE! as you continue on YOUR way to...where ever it leads!...We won't meet !... I KNOW that! ; ) [Edit] [Delete]

31 Jan 2009 @ 08:26 by ursula : Yeah
that's right, we won't, and since you removed my last comment I'll say it again. You spread hatred and untruths. Love, personal responsibility and respect are foreign to you. You won't even respond to doing energy work for peace and love in the world. Well, none of you are doing that. But you are all complaints about Jews. You are a tormented soul and I feel about you as I feel about those in hell, of their own creation through anger, fear, and hatred. You don't remember the light. [Edit] [Delete]

3 Feb 2009 @ 16:39 by a-d : One Pic says more than 1000words!
Photos from as early as 1904
make sure you take a close look at them all!
WHO in their right mind would like te "light" you offer!? Not me!
Who would like your form of truth?Not me!

22 Feb 2009 @ 04:53 by vaxen : I...
was feeling burnt out too, Ed, after the latest little war here at NCN. But I've had time to qi gong and gong fu and wu shu the interior lights back into orbital harmony. I think it is so important to be able to just get theheck away from the net and the madding crowd wherever we might enmesh with those frequencies that are not totally self based. Out into nature with a loving animal friend or human animal friend or by self alone with the wind and sun and mountains, sky, clouds, birds, trees, flowers... the beauties of this live world will soon put an end to all the confusion generated by so many free form ideas floating around inside one's bioelectromagnetic aura. Once cleansed we become, then, refreshed and ready for a new torrent of...

Well, I'd like to get totally away from the torrent. Nothing to proove,need no proofs, just me and the Earth forms I build with my imagination unsullied by contact with any one elses ideas unless they be intotal harmony with me and I with them. I am me.

Thanks Ed for your poem. Thanks A-d for all that and I wish you'd have made the links clickable but if it at your site then I guess I can...

Hope all is well. Not so cold here tonight and that's a cool thing.

See y'all and thanks again...  

22 Feb 2009 @ 18:16 by vaxen : A-d...
I see we just a a visitor, one "NORA," who commanded that we remove all reference to 'her' in the above. Of course the lady in question was supposedly 'gone' from NCN. But, we all know that's a crock, eh?

In any case she did make reference to the 'Rules,' as all good little fascisti must often do for they cannot make a single move without some kind of 'rule' so if you would kindly change the reference to 'her ladyship' in the above article I'm sure she whose name cannot be mentioned will return to her livry stables toot suite, post haste, and continue mucking out the barn. Lord knows it needs it!

Oh yes there was also the usual about how we are slandering and pickling the Jews but I guess she didn't read the article very deeply as the prejudice she bears in her own mind towards everything truly Jewish precludes that. So...

Here I go again but not so starry eyed again. Tata. "Do what THOU wilt shall be the whole of the law." - Frater Perdurabo

Or is that the hole in the law? In any case...

Shalom Uvracha, Haiim, Hen, Va Hesed, Ve Rahamiim Aleichem, Ve Al Col YiSRa-EL! Ve Imroo. Amen...

Bon tutti, bon chance...

El Varod

PS: A-d I hunted for where the name that can't be named is in the above rather longish repost of yours and I just do not have the time or the inclination to go through all that 'stuff' again. So would you find it and maybe put something like Bean Cake in it's place or something referencing the Divine Lady whose name cannot be uttered or a lightning bolt will fall from the heavens and kill the profaner of the sacred audit puh-lease, or we won't hear the end of the diatribes the evil one will vent against our most righteous horde. But, again, do as Thou wilt for I'm tired of the Loon and all she portends to re-present (Albeit with tons of prejudice.) and be. I can hear it now reverberating, making the rounds, of all cyber space. A scream, most lurid and wretrched, in the night. I'll soon get a message, I can feel it in me bones from: Oy ve li, the Meshugges of it all! ☺☻☺ Black hat leader, over and out.  

22 Feb 2009 @ 18:32 by a-d : I accomodated
her, whose name cannot be mentioned... ( is that alright,vax?; ) ))

But alas... there will ALWAYS be SOMETHING She will have to complain about!.. I'm sure.... *!*  

22 Feb 2009 @ 18:37 by vaxen : Ahahaha!
Now, no need for that kind of language! ☺ You needn't have accomodated the biggest you know what of them all in any fasion. She accomodates her own demise better than any of us possibly ever could. So... study Transactional Analysis, by Eric Bearne, MD. to understand the payoffs exchanged in any game with she whose sheise doesn't stink and, in fact, is gold .

At least a shaded, guarded, reference to the most holy one of deceitful penury and lies would have been nice. I just do not have the time right now to get catty.

Hey, it's a bright new day and she can rot in our jet trails, eh? Slime molds then slithers back unto whence it came from. Tally ho! Or is that 'Tally the Ho!'

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they
(the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that
Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and
the young will forget."  

22 Feb 2009 @ 18:39 by a-d : heheheh...
hahahhaha...oh Honey.... for you!....ANYTHING! ; )  

22 Feb 2009 @ 19:30 by vaxen : You know that...
"All statements from Barack Obama come with expiration dates." *hint, hint* ☺◘☻


(The con man has a different view of people in general than you might: If you feed a fish a man, you will feed him for a day; if you teach a fish to catch men, he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.)  

22 Feb 2009 @ 23:49 by vaxen : Yes...
That's much,much, better. ♥♥♥ Only belittle those who need it. Like... ☺  

23 Feb 2009 @ 02:12 by a-d : Dontcha just hate fish....
that sit in a boat,catchin' men, drinkin beer all day long?!..when they could drink DELICIOUS IRISH ALE!  

23 Feb 2009 @ 06:35 by vaxen : Heh, heh!
Yep. :)  

24 Feb 2009 @ 04:58 by vaxen : Wolf...
The Wolf Ceremony

I wanted to give something of my past to my grandson. So I took him into the woods, to a quiet spot. Seated at my feet he listened as I told him of the powers that were given to each creature. He moved not a muscle as I explained how the woods had always provided us with food, homes, comfort, and religion. He was awed when I related to him how the wolf became our guardian, and when I told him that I would sing the sacred wolf song over him, he was overjoyed.

In my song, I appealed to the wolf to come and preside over us while I would perform the wolf ceremony so that the bondage between my grandson and the wolf would be lifelong.

I sang.
In my voice was the hope that clings to every heartbeat.

I sang.
In my words were the powers I inherited from my forefathers.

I sang.
In my cupped hands lay a spruce seed– the link to creation.

I sang.
In my eyes sparkled love.

I sang.
And the song floated on the sun's rays from tree to tree.

When I had ended, it was if the whole world listened with us to hear the wolf's reply. We waited a long time but none came.

Again I sang, humbly but as invitingly as I could, until my throat ached and my voice gave out. All of a sudden I realized why no wolves had heard my sacred song. There were none left! My heart filled with tears. I could no longer give my grandson faith in the past, our past.

At last I could whisper to him: " It is finished!"

"Can I go home now?" He asked, checking his watch to see if he would still be in time to catch his favorite program on TV.

I watched him disappear and wept in silence. All is finished!

Chief Dan George


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1 Mar 2009 @ 23:02 by maxtobin : Sad that no Wolf came
But aint that a symptom of the dis-ease of seperation we have created as we choose the mind alone as the point of focusing for our consciousness.

I call for blessing to and from all of our Ancestors; Native American especially as they have the power of loving presense which brings me almost immediately to an empty full heart space of grace. The ceremony you refer to has a power and potency even though it be only on the etheric level; Wolf came to me this morning and has guided me through the distracting data to this space of purity where we can see the stupidity so clearly. So off now to rest in the simplicity. (I have a tree or three to talk with)

A modern ceremony with a wee difference is being advocated in partnership with my Maori Brothers and Sisters here in our little forgotten corner of the planet. We pray (not prey) that Great Spirit support the emerging of a common sense within our community. {link:|Web Book}  

1 Mar 2009 @ 23:56 by vaxen : Yeah!
So glad wolf came to you max! What a wonderful blessing. And that you can be with your Maori brothers and sisters is great, too. Hello from me to them if that's ok... I will also pray the same.

Thanks so much max.  

3 Mar 2009 @ 07:09 by maxtobin : Welcome Vax from Max
Nearly time for the big celebration me thinks as the latest stalking horse (or is that a manchurian candidate I sense disturbing the flow towards a new unity for community?)structs his stuff. Must be that the age of peace and sanity will only come after the time of great calamity. You'd be a wise man if you are hidden in the hills I suspect. Far from the maddening crowds for the time of the 'Great Satan' is upon us as the new (or is it very well trained and practiced?) high priest presides over the ritual sacrifice of the people to the global banksters (why bother with fat cows and idols when we have real breathing Gods amongst us). So sad but if people choose to snooze and stay as sheeple then you can expect a rough ride into the new heaven on earth.

My decree is for sanity and a smooth ride for you and all our resonant brothers and sisters no matter their colour or culture. For if resonant they be then heart centre focused they be as they wrestle with their shadow. Good luck and stay strong with those who continue to project their darkness and shadow towards you. Well practiced at the art of the smooth side step eh mate?.

Kia ora from our Royal allies on the Marae we are lucky that the indigenous peoples have a living history of another way and the colonising force was very diplomatic by the time it hit NZ.

Check the book in the link out if you run a PC (only works on windows at present) as the agenda therein is a fun one me thinks.

Blessings from the antipodies.  

3 Mar 2009 @ 16:27 by vaxen : Kia Ora!
Thanks Max. Checked the book out but the download has something wrong with the script so it wouldn't install...

A fun place on the Obamaniacs and more:

Am in the hills far away from the madding crowds. Haven't been to a city in many a year. It really isn't luck but, as you say, a matter of focussed intent. ;) Wish sky krewe would hurry up! Gets cold on the ground. ;)

Kia Ora, bro...

Thanks ☺↑☺

PS: Yup, sidestepping.  

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