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The Nazi Mind-set in America: Part I
by Jacob G. Hornberger, August 1994

Before the end of World War II, in 1944, Friedrich A. Hayek, who was later to win the Nobel memorial prize in economic science, startled the Western world with a book entitled The Road to Serfdom . Hayek argued that despite the war against Nazi Germany, the economic philosophy of the Nazis and communists was becoming the guiding light for American and British policymakers. In his forward to the 1972 edition of the book, Hayek wrote:

But after war broke out I felt that this widespread misunderstanding of the political systems of our enemies, and soon also of our new ally, Russia, constituted a serious danger which had to be met by a more systematic effort. Also, it was already fairly obvious that England herself was likely to experiment after the war with the same kind of policies which I was convinced had contributed so much to destroy liberty elsewhere. . . . Opinion moves fast in the United States, and even now it is difficult to remember how comparatively short a time it was before The Road to Serfdom appeared that the most extreme kind of economic planning had been seriously advocated and the model of Russia held up for imitation by men who were soon to play an important role in public affairs. . . . Be it enough to mention that in 1934 the newly established National Planning Board devoted a good deal of attention to the example of planning provided by these four countries: Germany, Italy, Russia, and Japan.

As the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II approaches, Americans must ask themselves a troubling question: Did Hayek's concerns become reality — have Americans, in fact, traveled the road to serfdom the past fifty years? Or, put another way, did the Nazis lose the military battles but win the war for the hearts and minds of the American people?

Consider, for example, the Nazi economic system. Who can argue that the American people do not believe in and support most of its tenets? For example, how many Americans today do not unequivocally support the following planks of the Nationalist (Nazi) Party of Germany, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920:

We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the financial interests . We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand . . . the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . . We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . . . The government must undertake the improvement of public health — by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor — by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the . . . materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of " The Common Good Before the Individual Good ."

I repeat: How many Americans today do not unequivocally support most, if not all, of these Nazi economic and political principles?

And if there is any doubt whether the Nazi economic philosophy did, in fact, win the hearts and minds of the American people, consider the following description of the Nazi economic system by Leonard Peikoff in his book The Ominous Parallels :

Contrary to the Marxists, the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of the means of production. They did demand that the government oversee and run the nation's economy. The issue of legal ownership, they explained, is secondary; what counts is the issue of control . Private citizens, therefore, may continue to hold titles to property — so long as the state reserves to itself the unqualified right to regulate the use of their property.

What American objects to these principles of the Nazi economic system? Don't most Americans favor the planned economy, the regulated economy, the controlled economy? Don't most Americans favor the type of economic controls, and the right of government to institute such controls , that characterized the Nazi society: wage and price controls, high taxes, government-business partnerships, licensing, permits, and a myriad other economic regulations?

The truth is that Hayek's warning was ignored. Having defeated the Nazis in battle, Americans became ardent supporters and advocates of Nazi economic policies.

Why? Part of the answer lies in another feature that was central to the Nazi way of life: public schooling. "Oh, no! You have gone too far this time," the average American will exclaim. "Public schooling is a distinctively American institution — as American as apple pie and free enterprise." The truth? As Sheldon Richman documents so well in his new book, Separating School & State, 20th-century Americans adopted the idea of a state-schooling system in the latter part of the 19th century from — you guessed it — Prussia! And as Mr. Richman points out, public schooling has proven as successful in the United States as it did in Germany. Why? Because it has succeeded in its goal of producing a nation of "good, little citizens" — people who pay their taxes on time, follow the rules, obey orders, condemn and turn in the rule-breakers, and see themselves as essential cogs in the national wheel. Consider the words of Richard Ebeling, in his introduction to Separating School & State :

In the hands of the state, compulsory public education becomes a tool for political control and manipulation — a prime instrument for the thought police of the society. And precisely because every child passes through the same indoctrination process — learning the same ''official history," the same "civic virtues," the same lessons of obedience and loyalty to the state — it becomes extremely difficult for the independent soul to free himself from the straightjacket of the ideology and values the political authorities wish to imprint upon the population under its jurisdiction. For the communists, it was the class struggle and obedience to the Party and Comrade Stalin; for the fascists, it was worship of the nation-state and obedience to the Duce ; for the Nazis, it was race purity and obedience to the Führer. The content has varied, but the form has remained the same. Through the institution of compulsory state education, the child is to be molded like wax into the shape desired by the state and its educational elite.

We should not believe that because ours is a freer, more democratic society, the same imprinting procedure has not occurred even here, in America. Every generation of school-age children has imprinted upon it a politically correct ideology concerning America's past and the sanctity of the role of the state in society. Practically every child in the public school system learns that the "robber barons" of the 19th century exploited the common working man; that unregulated capitalism needed to be harnessed by enlightened government regulation beginning in the Progressive era at the turn-of-the-century; that wild Wall Street speculation was a primary cause of the Great Depression; that only Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal saved America from catastrophe; and that American intervention in foreign wars has been necessary and inevitable, with the United States government required to be a global leader and an occasional world policeman.

This brings us to the heart of the problem — the core of the Nazi mind-set: that the interests of the individual must be subordinated to the interests of the nation. This is the principle that controls the minds of the American people, just as it controlled the minds of the German people sixty years ago. Each person is viewed like a bee in a hive; his primary role in life is to serve the hive and the ruler of the hive, and to be sacrificed when the hive and its ruler consider it necessary. This is why Americans of our time, unlike their ancestors, favor such things as income taxation, Social Security, socialized medicine, and drug laws; they believe, as did Germans in the 1930s, that their bodies, lives, income, and property, in the final analysis, are subordinate to the interests of the nation.

As you read the following words of Adolf Hitler, ask yourself which American politician, which American bureaucrat, which American schoolteacher, which American citizen would disagree with the principles to which Hitler subscribed:

It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole; that pride and conceitedness, the feeling that the individual . . . is superior, so far from being merely laughable, involve great dangers for the existence of the community that is a nation; that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual.

Even though the average American enthusiastically supports the Nazi economic philosophy, he recoils at having his beliefs labeled as "Nazi." Why? Because, he argues, the Nazi government, unlike the U.S. government, killed six million people in concentration camps, and this mass murder of millions of people, rather than economic philosophy, captures the true essence of the Nazi label.

What Americans fail (or refuse) to recognize is that the concentration camps were simply the logical extension of the Nazi mind-set! It does not matter whether there were six million killed — or six hundred — or six — or even one. The evil — the terrible, black evil — is the belief that a government should have the power to sacrifice even one individual for the good of the nation. Once this basic philosophical premise and political power are conceded, innocent people, beginning with a few and inevitably ending in multitudes, will be killed, because "the good of the nation" always ends up requiring it.

The Nazi Mind-set in America: Part II
by Jacob G. Hornberger, September 1994

Political killings of innocent people could never happen in America, our fellow citizens tell us. America is a democracy. But so was Nazi Germany. Hitler was popularly elected, and his economic policies were widely favored and acclaimed (by Germans and Americans!).

But there is another basic problem with that assertion: it is happening here in America. And like the German people of the 1930s, Americans either refuse to see it happening, or they rationalize what is happening so that they do not have to deal with it. Now, it is true that the killings do not number in the millions — but they certainly do number, so far, in the thousands.

Let's take some examples. The Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas. U.S. Army tanks and gas used against peaceful, religious, well-armed people. Over 80 Americans, including children, gassed and burned. And is there any remorse — any regret — any independent governmental investigation into this massacre? Not on your life. The government officials, just like their Nazi counterparts, think they did "the right thing" in killing our fellow citizens. And for those of you who look to the judiciary for protection, you had better look elsewhere: the federal judge who presided over the trial of the Waco survivors declared that he would not permit the government to be "put on trial," and then slapped 40-year sentences on the Branch Davidian survivors.

Or take Randy Weaver, his wife, and son, of Idaho. First, they were set up on an idiotic gun charge (Weaver sold a shotgun that was an inch too short, at the request of a U.S. government agent). Then, they sent Weaver a notice of a wrong trial date. When he failed to appear, they surrounded his house and attacked. A government sniper plugged his unarmed wife in the head with a bullet as she was holding her baby. And they shot Weaver's son in the back. Then, at Weaver's trial, they fabricated evidence and committed perjury. Fortunately, Weaver was acquitted. But have any criminal charges been brought against the government agents for the murder of Weaver's wife and son? Did the federal judge in the case even cite the agents for contempt for their reprehensible conduct? Well, did the Nazi government ever bring charges against the SS? Did Nazi judges ever punish Nazi officials for killing Jews?

They killed Donald Scott, a millionaire rancher in California. They claimed that they needed to barge into his house in the middle of the night in order to look for marijuana. And when Scott obeyed their order to lay down the gun he had picked up in his fear of the intruders, they shot him dead. And it later turned out that they had hoped to find marijuana so that they could confiscate his land and convert it to a national park.

These kinds of killings are going on every single week. But Americans either look the other way, the way the Germans did, or they rationalize what is happening by saying, "The war on drugs has gotta be won."

And it is not just killings. Just as the Nazis did, they are confiscating people's money, land, boats, cars — anything they can get their hands on. No longer do they need to depend only on taxes for their revenues — they just go grab the money and property directly and keep it, regardless of the guilt or innocence of the victims. And, of course, it's all rationalized because "the war on drugs has gotta be won."

And it's not just confiscations. It is also terror — the terror of Internal Revenue Service agents barging into people's homes, "visiting" them at work, and levying liens on bank accounts and real estate without any notice, hearing, or other semblance of due process.

Yes, it's true — we are not dealing with the killings and mass confiscations and infliction of terror on millions of people. It is happening only to several thousands. But that's today. What happens in a crisis? Suppose an American ruler decides he is not going to get "pushed around" by the ruler of North Korea, Haiti, Panama, Iraq, or Japan? What happens if a war is not over in a few weeks, but instead drags out into months, even years, with higher taxes, more controls, and . . . conscription? What happens if Americans, who are already being taxed 50 percent of their incomes, now find taxes at 60 or 70 percent? What happens if there is a massive tax strike in which millions refuse to pay their taxes? What happens if hundreds of thousands of American students refuse to be drafted by a president who refused to be drafted?

Will the government meekly surrender? Will it simply agree to lose "international face"? Not on your life. The Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the army will simply turn their massive powers against the leaders of the tax revolt and as many of its followers as possible. And they will do whatever is necessary to teach those "draft-dodging cowards" a lesson. The American people will learn what the German people learned: that the omnipotent state that loves the poor and the needy will remove its velvet glove and use its iron fist to smash those who interfere with the "good of the nation."

Let's look at some more examples of the Nazi mind-set in America — this time in the Department of the Army. The army conducted nuclear radiation experiments on American soldiers. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army conducted drug experiments on American citizens. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army conducted disease experiments on the American people. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army herded innocent Americans of Japanese descent into American concentration camps. Why? Because the good of the nation required it. The army entered into joint ventures with German Nazis at the end of World War II. Why? Because the good of the nation required it.

In other words, in the past, U.S. government officials have engaged in evil, Nazi-like conduct for the "good of the nation." Would they do so again? You can bet your life they would, if the good of the nation required it, and even if this entails the violation of every single restriction on governmental power set forth in the U.S. Constitution.

There is nothing inevitable in all of this. Through the power of ideas, we can reverse the trend. If ideas did not matter, governments would not try to suppress ideas. Ideas do matter; they do have consequences; they do influence people into acting, into changing, into reversing course.

But the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment — the right to speak, to write, to disseminate ideas — are not sufficient. The ultimate safeguard against the ultimate tyranny lies instead with the right to bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment. If this Amendment is destroyed or severely constricted, the rest of the Constitution becomes worthless. Because in a crisis in which their power base is threatened, and in which there are no means of forcible resistance, government officials will squash the things they view as "technicalities" — free speech, habeas corpus, trial by jury, and the other rights guaranteed in the Constitution.

Combine a crisis with a disarmed, discontented citizenry, and the concentration camp for hundreds of thousands becomes a real possibility. But when the citizenry, together with various patriotic sheriffs, police, and members of the armed forces, has the means to inflict severe casualties on their potential oppressors, tyrants think twice before they try to oppress their own citizens too heavily.

That is why every single effort to restrict or control or manage the ownership of guns must be resisted. The ultimate barrier to the ultimate tyranny lies not with the ballot box. It lies not with the soapbox. It lies not with the jury box. The ultimate barrier to the tyranny of one's own government lies with the cartridge box.

Contrary to everything our rulers tell us, and everything that our schoolteachers are teaching the children of this nation, the biggest threat to the lives and well-being of the American people lies not with some foreign government. The biggest threat to the American people today lies with the United States government. And while gun ownership stands as a barrier to potential, Nazi-like behavior, the long-term solution is to dismantle, not reform, the iron fist of the welfare state and the controlled economy. This includes the end (not the reform) of the IRS, the DEA, the SEC, the FDA, the Departments of HUD, HHS, Labor, Agriculture, Energy, and every other agency that takes money from some and gives it to others or interferes with peaceful behavior. It entails the repeal of all laws that permit such conduct. And it means the privatization of most of the bureaucrats who work for the U.S. government.

But it also entails the end of potential oppressors who, in the past, have shown no reluctance to engage in evil, malicious, illegal, Nazi-like conduct against American citizens, such as the CIA and the standing army.

Would this mean that the U.S. government would not be permitted to act as the international Roman emperor? That is exactly what it would mean. But what about threats of invasion of the U.S.? Such threats are virtually nonexistent. But if every single citizen is free to arm himself to the teeth, any nation contemplating invasion would know that attacking the U.S. would be like swallowing a porcupine. What about a quick mobilization? There would be no reason why citizen-soldiers would not quickly mobilize in the event of an emergency. For example, suppose that the standing army is disbanded. The members of the 82nd Airborne Division would not simply disappear. They would become private, productive citizens, but ready in times of peril to answer the call. They could be, and probably would be more than willing to be, at any location in the country within 24 hours.

Moreover, there would be a doubly positive effect in terms of economic prosperity. No longer would taxes have to be sucked out of the pockets of private citizens to support the armed forces. And the members of the armed forces, now privatized, would now be economically productive members of society.

In his book The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek warned Americans in 1944 that despite their military war against the Nazis, Americans were traveling the philosophical and economic road that the Nazis and the communists were traveling. Our grandparents and parents ignored Hayek's warning. Now, we are left with the consequences: a government of omnipotent size and power using its power to kill innocent, peaceful citizens and confiscate millions of dollars of property to feed its insatiable hunger for more power. Today, the number of victims is in the thousands. But at the end of this road lie the concentration camps for the multitudes.

Can the tide be reversed? Can the omnipotent state be dismantled, rather than simply reformed? Yes. It will take a return to first principles — the principles on which this nation, not Germany, were founded. Principles that hold that it is the individual, not the collective, that is supreme; that each individual has been endowed by his Creator with unalienable rights; that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any government, including the American government, becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government; and that no individual — his life, liberty, or property — shall ever be sacrificed for the good of the nation. As Ayn Rand put it thirty years ago in her essay, "The Fascist New Frontier":

If you wish to oppose [statism], you must challenge its basic premises. You must begin by realizing that there is no such thing as "the public interest" except as the sum of the interests of individual men. And the basic, common interest of all men — all rational men — is freedom. Freedom is the first requirement of "the public interest" — not what men do when they are free, but that they are free. All their achievements rest on that foundation — and cannot exist without it. The principles of a free, non-coercive social system are the only form of "the public interest." Such principles did and do exist. Try to project such a system. In today's cultural atmosphere, it might appear to you like a journey into the unknown. But — like Columbus — what you will discover is America.

Mr. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.

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20 Jan 2005 @ 21:54 by astrid : Wow, a big topic...
... and importnat in the sense that we finally learn the Cosmic Lesson in and from History: The Big Boys, with all the Political/religious "Haute Couture-labels" ;) on their CLOAKS ( in which they hide their Agendas of insecurity and inadequacy ) with same -corresponding- Names for the Mental/Emotional/ Spiritual CORALLS they built for us, the s.c. Every-day-people; those corralls where we -for the last 5000 years have lived out our lives, because we would not understand that these guys -ALL- had only one thing in mind: to have us as their serfs and all these guys -while OFFICIALLY BEING (=PRETENDENDING to be) eachothers ENEMIES- SECRETLY TOGETHER have ALWAYS been in cahhuuze with eachother (( this web-site proves to a small extent my "case", though the REAL truth about what the site talks about is MUCH bigger and even more shocking! There's a lot more DOCUMENTED/FACT-Info out there about this very topics, but this is suffice for now. If you have racial biases/preferencies and beliefs in one groups superiority or right to be above others through religon/"race"/history, suffering or any other divining things, then don't read this, because this article touches the REAL TRUTH!! This article proves that these Big Boys-ALL- have always worked together, with NO true allegeance to ANY Race / Nationality/Religion or any other of the COMPARTMENTS they constructed for all the Every-day-people of the World. Already in the very early days they did this, to make us see eachother as different from eachother and eachother's enemies and any other DIVIDING mechanisms, that has kept us suspicious of oneanother ))

ALL these Big Boys have ALWAYS worked together on ALL sides of the "fences" and concocted all these False stories about the alleged enemies, Events, revolutions, wars ; in short: any social misery in any possible way, to scare the daylights out of us, so that we all would be huddling down in one corner of the corrall while they sang their sirensong of promises to protect = CONTROL us from "Those -OTHER- Bad Guys", thus remaing loyal only to our "Protectors/leaders"

The means and methods used, have always had just one mission: to keep up the IMBALANCE, to make it easy for them to be able to keep up the UPSTAIRS /DOWNSTAIRS life FOR THEM, in every corner of the World, among ALL of Mankind, Things always only going THEIR way and ultimately never the People's , but only to THEIR OWN favour.

Today some of us are breaking out of that/those CORRALL/S, yet still; most of us don't!.... There's nothing we can do about it. Most people just don't trust Life enough to take a REAL Chance on REAL Life, REAL Freedom!... Cheers FreedomBrother!
Hugs & Such from your FreedomSis/A-d

One more thing: Do NOT ever get rid of this article! We all need to get back to this over and over again, and add more info and insights to it, as they come up. I have now read it three times over thcourse of this day and I see new things very time (= I'm able to take in more info. Though this is all info I knew before, it is also so very concentrated. So I have my Aha flashes with each new reading, and I do more connections with my already existing knowledge, a little more each time. I will paste and copy it to my Word-files, right now. Vax, what do you know about this Ukraine thing that just recently went down; this Peaceful Revoluion. TakeOver and the conditions prior?/A-d  

20 Jan 2005 @ 23:05 by vaxen : Hear, hear!
Thanks, A-d, for reading, and understanding, this revelatory article which comes as 'freedom song' to my ears. The people have been lulled to sleep by the Nation State. Little wonder as the architects behind the deception wore the NAZI garb, during the last World War, and probably still do, in secret, as did Harry. Yup, lock stock and barrel imported into the United States during the war. Set up in very influencial positions in Academia and the Sciences and there ya have it. The Presidential Inauguration! Time to "Lock and Load!"  

21 Jan 2005 @ 08:26 by hgoodgame : Hey!
If you are waiting for someone to notice the constantly changing headline on this entry, you can stop now. Wet Roses? *giggle*  

21 Jan 2005 @ 08:42 by vaxen : Ha Ha!
Yavol! OK. My wish is your command. Oops...did I say that backwards? Just switch it around and...reset. ;)

Are you familiar with 'The Committee of Correspondence?'

I was a very 'Prussian' little boy...  

21 Jan 2005 @ 09:25 by gea : My command is your wish ?

21 Jan 2005 @ 15:53 by hgoodgame : So you admit then
that you were waiting for someone to notice?
Good one Shakti, I was going to say something like - Your command is my wish..
Committee of Correspondence? Hey didn't you ever watch Hogan's Heros? Sargeant Schulz?

21 Jan 2005 @ 20:58 by astrid : Geeweez, Heidi...
..I've been looking for that backwards slash on my keyboard now for a year and I haven't found it! ??? :0 *_*  

21 Jan 2005 @ 23:14 by vaxen : Heh Heh...
Thanks gea and Heidi. Nope, never watched Hogans Heroes. At least I don't remember it...maybe 'they' did a memory wipe? Oi! Oi! Oi!

Your wish is my command. Well have none of the good counts Sado-Masoch-Gismos here Muchachitos! Just nice crunchy Fritos!

Asrid can you please look up at your 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-,=,\...see it? If you do the shift plus '\' you'll get '|' Got it?  

21 Jan 2005 @ 23:16 by vaxen : Or...
did you mean the , please look down at the shift,z,x,c,v,b,n,m,,.,/ See it? Did you mean that one? It's under the ? mark...the other one just left of the backspace just under the moon in a galaxy far far away that is presently being run by the frei corps and the wolverines. It is sometimes called "The Absolute Elsewhere." Ever hear of it? See ya there? X  

21 Jan 2005 @ 23:38 by astrid : Ohh, Honey Bunny!... silly goose!...
the one you refer to is the forward slash!... Uuuuu silly...
HOW did Heidi do her little figure???

"...and let me play among the stars...Uuuuuu are all I ...."

/// Chickadee chuckaduuu :) ///  

22 Jan 2005 @ 00:11 by hgoodgame : Ya gotta be a kid
(to do a little figure).. to figure out some stuff, Astrid. The one you are looking for is right under your backspace, no shifting needed. ;)

Astrid found her inner child!! Hooray!
This day has not been a failure after all.. ;)  

22 Jan 2005 @ 01:04 by astrid : Haahaa
I found the kid-in-me-!!! Haaahaaa.... \*|*? how's that for some serious, ahummm hark,coughcough ? Pretty good. eh? OK,OK, vax, I leave your Space. your serious Stuff... but see that is why I chose Serious face, got it?.... : ) Heidi, you're a Gem! Vax, you're my Most Precious Gem! så de så!... heheheh...

Your /Chickadee chuckaduuu :) \  

22 Jan 2005 @ 08:47 by vaxen : \/\/\/\/\/:
\\\ /// ||| \\\ /// |||
Aegis Prime.
Black Book.

22 Jan 2005 @ 11:56 by nemue : The question is...
..what do you do about it? How do you change the minds of the American people? How do you turn on the light. so to speak.  

22 Jan 2005 @ 12:10 by jstarrs : By being what you are... it, being an example of all the qualities that a human being can have, generous, tolerant, loving, caring, attentive of others.
It wears down lies, slowly, slowly, slowly.
But it works.
Even / or \ to someone who doesn't know it is giving and is one less ignorance for the other!

22 Jan 2005 @ 20:10 by astrid : Jeff,
I like your "advice" very much. Remeber this Swedish Poem ( in my English translation) : ”You can’t make the World a new.”

You can’t make the World a new.
Give your Soul some rest.
Only one thing can you do; an Act of Kindness
towards Someone, who didn’t even hope.

But this, already, is enough
To make the Stars sing in the Skies.
To ease the suffering of even one, means
A Brother/Sister gained.

This is what I gather from your stament, Jeff. Right on!  

22 Jan 2005 @ 20:20 by skookum : what can I?
with my puny words and heartfelt hopes do?

Only perservere and spread what light I can.  

22 Jan 2005 @ 23:38 by nemue : Is it enough?
Sadly, I don't think we have a lot of time left and many having been spreading light for a long time now. We need more than that, I just wish I knew what..


23 Jan 2005 @ 04:39 by skookum : we need
Miracle Max

"Princess Bride"

the movie

ah.. I was being humorous. ;-)  

23 Jan 2005 @ 06:49 by nemue : Max?
Who is Miracle Max?  

23 Jan 2005 @ 07:32 by vaxen : Perhaps...
transcending all dichotomies and just being who you are, lady nemue? You know that as a spirit you are eternal, anyway, so you are here to perfect your own 'path.' It has been said that with the faith of a mustard seed one could move mountains. It is a difficult and traumatic time of birth. The new cosmic humanity is being born and initiated through the bonds of fire. I hope all is well with you and that you are not in any way depressed over anything you think that you cannot change. I hope that you are growing at your own rate of speed and that you know just why it is that you are here this time around.  

23 Jan 2005 @ 08:23 by jstarrs : Right on, bro,... is this.
Right on , Astrid, this also.
And Skooks, we're here to spread light, also.
We all brothers & sisters on this weary ol' planet.
Nemu, we can only do what we can do, like my mum used to say, she said "do your best, that's all"  

23 Jan 2005 @ 15:10 by spiritseek : snowball effect
every day more are enlightened,so take heart.We can not fail once awakened.  

23 Jan 2005 @ 19:32 by astrid : We can not fail once awakened.
That is so true, Marie!  

24 Jan 2005 @ 22:26 by hgoodgame : Dreams have their advantages too. ;)
Those who have not experienced 'awakening' are not aware of how easy it is to go back to 'dreaming' as long as the world around us is still in it's group dream.  

25 Jan 2005 @ 09:52 by nemue : I know you are right
I know you are all right in what you say - but ah sometimes it just doesn't feel enough. I understand this is just part of transcending and a natural reaction. I will out on my sunshine smile - kick my butt and smarten up.  

29 Jan 2005 @ 11:13 by jazzolog : Hello?
As long as this thread is meandering through the meadow picking posies (let's see, what is the entry about?) I may as well post a couple of links that I think will interest Vax.

Your recent discussions about Scientology made me think of you as I read this news item~~~

For Tsunami Survivors, A Touch of Scientology

By Peter S. Goodman
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 28, 2005; Page C01

NAMBHIARINAGAR VILLAGE, India -- By trade, Randy Meyers is an auto mechanic. Back home in Battle Creek, Mich., he would be tending to his repair shop, perhaps navigating the intricacies of computerized fuel injection. Instead, he stands on sandy earth on the other side of the world, running his fingers over traumatized people -- the wounded, the frightened, the lost souls of the great Indian Ocean tsunami, which killed more than 400 people from this village alone.

Meyers is healing the survivors, he says, employing the techniques he has learned from Scientology. More precisely, he is helping them heal themselves, eradicating pain waves and allowing energy waves to flow, clearing pathways for nerves to run errands of anatomical necessity, liberating the spirit to align with the body as described in the confident prose of the late L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology and the applied practices known as Dianetics.

And of course, for enterprising Christians the disaster is a goldmine~~~

Counting Sheep?

The proselytizing zeal of American missionaries knows no slack even in tsunami aid
Seema Sirohi
Outlook India, 28 January 2005

Are American Christian evangelists using the devastation wreaked by the tsunami to spread the word of God – their God? Disturbing stories from the region and fund-raising appeals from religious leaders in the US who want to "plant Christian principles as early as possible" in the orphans of Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India have raised profound questions about proselytisation of vulnerable people in times of tragedy. Some groups send help along with Bibles – in Bhojpuri – to increase the fold in affected countries, making it harder for others to provide relief. By lacing help with questions of faith, however delicately, evangelical groups can deepen religious faultlines at a time when talk of civilisational wars rages in e-chat rooms.  

29 Jan 2005 @ 21:11 by vaxen : Hi,,,
old friend. Thankyou, very much, for the contribution and the links. Disasters are always gold mines for sheeple in wolven packs. Hope all is well with you.  

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