|Out of My Mind: Nazis and Islamic Militants|
28 comments15 Sep 2006 @ 01:52 by enora : Yup
that's all accurate, Bee. Good post. Did you compile all the info yourself?
15 Sep 2006 @ 17:28 by b : Yep, thanks
but after putting this in word first, I found that when I entered it in the log that the links don't work to the refernces.
16 Sep 2006 @ 01:14 by enora : Oh
well, even when you put the brackets around it?
16 Sep 2006 @ 01:27 by jmarc : yeah
get those links to us somehow, would ya? I feel this post outlines the problems that others are refusing to look at, and I plan to reference it in other places that discuss these issues.
Underwear put on the head of a prisoner, and the one who did it jailed, or head chopped off and the one who did it glorified? It's an easy choice which civilization I prefer to be associated with.
16 Sep 2006 @ 03:10 by jobrown : So, this must be
Islamic Fundamentalism as its worst? Sufi Teaching sure do NOT say anything like this at all! And Sufi IS the (so called) "high-end" Spiritual Teachings/ Revelations of /within Islam.
This is terrible reading -and should be rectified, just like any other teacings that condone and indeed demands evils to perpetrated towards anyone, let alone a targeted group of peoples.
There always seem to be a Disappointment 'point' in all religious dogmas, NO MATTER WICH ONE! Sooner or later -like in this case for as far as educating ie. me goes- the Hydra shows its ugly head in Islam!....
I remember when I learned about the evils sanctified in Hindu Tradition. I was sure it was just some person trying to badmouth something pure and sacred! Turned out to be the sad, dark truth about Hindu Fundamentalism! And this now...
Well, I have always felt there must come a day when all the dogmas MUST be left behind and -figuratively speaking- seen as some kind of outgrown, worn-out old clothing and we choose to take on a new ALL-Loving/accepting/caring 'Cosmic' Garments instead, EVERYONE has to realize and want the new ALL loving/accepting "Outfits" -IF we are to have any chance to peaceful, happy life, anyone of us. If /when -even- one of us suffers or is treated with crueltuy and injustice of any kind, then ALL suffers /are being treated with cruelty and injustice! Therefore the choise is EVERYBODY's. It is that simple!
16 Sep 2006 @ 03:33 by enora : yadda yadda
some people just don't want see what's going on or admit that these things have really happened. They prefer to blame the Jews for everything (I'd call that a dogma, too), and make believe there isn't this form of Islam growing and acting out in a very dysfunctional way due to hatred. The Dalai Lama addressed it, as well. Guess he's crazy, too, eh? Now the Pope brings up something from hundreds of years ago when BACK THEN people were talking about the Muslims and their spreading their religion by the sword. But it's okay to blast the Jews and Israelis, kill them, lie about them, but dare say the truth about the extremist Muslims. Oh dear....oh my. Blueboy, you say you love all people. Then, let's hear some of that lovey dovey talk for Jews, Blueboy, you know, the group YOU TARGET ALL OF THE TIME.
16 Sep 2006 @ 04:17 by jobrown : I rest my case....
...and you, the "mom' of the above comment, have to go somewhere else to suck some fresh Life energy. I have better things to turn my attention towards than you(r idiotic nonsense ad hominem attacks on people; your hallmark brand of "interaction", "dialogue" . ) You just proved -one more time- that there are meanspirited and outright evil peoples 'everywhere'. Sleep tight!
16 Sep 2006 @ 04:35 by enora : This log isn't about me
it's about what Bee posted. You rest what case? Is this a trial, and are you a lawyer? And you should talk about meanspirited. Guess the suicide murderers and those who defend them aren't meanspirited? See? You just can't do it. You cannot say one kind thing about Israelis or Jews but you think you're spreading some sort of love, acceptance and peace message. Hypocrite.
16 Sep 2006 @ 12:00 by jmarc : meanwhile
those who continue to even mention the "bad side" of Islam continue to be vilified. LINK
Fire up the Pope mobile Benedict. It's going to be a bumpy ride, and you'll be lucky if they let you get out of this one alive.
16 Sep 2006 @ 14:12 by enora : Jmarc
the Pope is stunned that he offended Muslims. Why should he apologize for something somebody else said centuries ago? He was making a point about violence, and while all Muslims are not violent,and he knows that, I'm sure he was zeroing in on those who have been very vocal and inticing death to infidels. Look at the behavior of the Muslims today. Rioting in a few locations. With all their prayers, can't they learn to behave better? There's a double message from them. They can always insult every other religion, even destroy houses of worship, and that's okay, but heaven forbid anyone speak out against those who are out front with their anger, hatred, violence.
16 Sep 2006 @ 21:24 by jmarc : I'm stunned that he's stunned
but then like the new chairman of the fed, I guess he'll learn quickly enough that his words will cause waves, whether he realizes it or not. I guess the christian response would be to apologize for offending, but then I don't think he should be silent. He has now been called a Nazi by some Islamic spokesmen. Hmm where have I heard such references before? Anyway, I'm glad I'm not walking in his robes today, as I'm sure some will take it upon themselves to serve retribution (and see no irony in it). I do have a problem with (c) from above. I think if we were to start quoting scriptures, we could find statements in many so called holy books that require the faithful to go forth and slaughter the unbelievers, infidels or what have you. The jews wandering the desert slaughtering philistines and some comments in the Baghvadvita(SP?) come to mind. We all know that MOST of todays christians, Jews and Hindus do not condone violence (and some fringe groups do) so we don't want to accuse all followers of a religion based on ancient writs. However, there does seem to be a culture of seperation and violence that is prevalant in the islamic world, and we don't hear enough voices in Islam condemning this. In fact, mostly they seem eager to fan the flames. Front page of the Turkish Press today being an example. LINK
16 Sep 2006 @ 21:32 by enora : Right
and today Palestinians also rioted over it, burned five churches. They are showing who they really are. We keep asking, where are the moderate Muslims? Where are those who will not fan the flames of hatred and violence? I think tomorrow the Pope will be saying more.
18 Sep 2006 @ 01:50 by enora : Just so you know
the chief rabbi of Israel said this about the Pope's comments:
I am very sorry about the deprecating things said against Islam," said Amar, in a letter that seemed to put the blame for the turmoil between Muslims and Christians on the shoulders of the Pope.
"Our way is to respect all religions, nations and peoples according to their customs," continued Amar. "As the prophet [Micah] said: 'For let all people walk everyone in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.
"And even when there is a struggle between peoples it is wrong to make it a religious struggle. Love, truth and peace.'"
Fruman passed on Amar's statement to Sheikh Abdala Nimer Darwish, head of the Israeli Islamic Movement's moderate wing who relayed it to Sheikh Yusef Darwish, a popular Muslim leader living in Qatar.
In an interview with the Jerusalem Post, Amar called on both Christians and Muslims to put their differences behind them.
"These are two religions that have millions of followers," said Amar. "If they start quarreling who knows where it will lead. Both must stop the unnecessary talk and actions."
Only after being questioned repeatedly was Amar willing to denounce Muslim violence against Churches in the Holy Land.
"Our Muslim brothers would add respect to their religion if they outdid themselves and overcame the feelings of humiliation."
And the Pope sort of apologized.
19 Sep 2006 @ 18:22 by b : Muslims are angry
They are the only religion on Earth in the 21st century that defile other religions churches, temples, shrines and graves. The organization of 56 Muslim nations use the religion of Islam for political purposes. Saddam aspired and paid plenty to head up the Islamic conference nations. Now that he is in a cage, Iran in the person of Almadinjad seeks to head up the 56 nations. The Arab league of 21 nations(it used to be 22 nations before Iraq was lost to the Iranian conspiracy)resent the Iran/Shia alliances being created to counter Arab dominance of Islam. Someone, somewhere has a vision of Irani revolutionary guards marching into Mecca.
Mohammed was illiterate, he could neither read or write. Ignorance stimulate Muslims to anger. They don't have rule of law with due process thereof. They are used to their Sharia law which is arbitrary and often carried out by a mob.
Only one book, the Koran is ever used as a reference for right actions. 95% of Muslims are unaware of the world of books and literature. All of us nonMuslims are considered unbelievers. As the Pope quoted: Muslims are taught that all unbelievers are to submit to Islam or die by the sword. Don't let the mob get you!
Rage Against the Machine: "Every body is going nowhere but I'm going nowhere fast."
21 Sep 2006 @ 18:57 by bushman : Hmm
Pretty hard to change the thoughts and beliefs of the Hill Billies. Here in the USA we just left them alone, and now they become the extreem religious right, look at the fundimental mormons and thier ways laws rules, how about those southern baptists? They would do the same thing if given half the chance. But as we have seen here let them alone and maybe they will just keep to them selves, but far too late now to do that with Islamic extreemists, there is only one thing left to do with them now, if the world is fed up with the bullcrap, then clean it up, kill the infection, and be done with it.
22 Sep 2006 @ 07:01 by vaxen : Hegemon:
Halliburton charged with selling nuclear technology to Iran
Halliburton, the notorious U.S. energy company, sold key nuclear-reactor components to a private Iranian oil company called Oriental Oil Kish as recently as 2005, using offshore subsidiaries to circumvent U.S. sanctions. The story is particularly juicy because Vice President Dick Cheney, who now claims to want to stop Iran from getting nukes, was president of Halliburton in the mid-1990s, at which time he may have advocated business dealings with Iran, in violation of U.S. law.
Source: "Halliburton Secretly Doing Business with Key Member of Iran's Nuclear Team," Jason Leopold, [link] , Aug. 5, 2005
26 Sep 2006 @ 17:38 by b : Yes, cited in the book.
Nothing to do of course with Israel, Iran, Iraq or anything mentioned in the blog entry or other comments.
26 Sep 2006 @ 19:51 by jmarc : whenever
someone mentions Haliburton, inevitably they mention Cheney. Never do I hear about one of the key stock holders, President Johnson's widow. Who has more control over a corporation, a major stock holder, or an ex ceo?
Apologies for the divergence.
26 Sep 2006 @ 23:54 by b : Neither Jmarc
current ceo and management control the corp. The major stockholder can at a scheduled meeting of stockholders call for a vote to challenge management but only on a scheduled day to do it. Day to day business is done by the listed officers. Ex ceo would have to be major stockholder or holder of majority proxies to make a difference. Otherwise ex ceo is x'd.
27 Sep 2006 @ 00:10 by jmarc : well my point is
that ex ceo doesnt hold near as much stock as lady bird and her democrat allies. And though as you say their power isnt in day to day operations, they still have more say than Cheney does.
27 Sep 2006 @ 22:08 by b : Further note
that each corporation is responsible for reporting to the secretary of state of which it registered. If there is a time for a corporation to do an iniatal public offering and sales of shares as registered securities then reporting is done through the Securities and Exchange Commission. All control of corporations is from within the corporation or propriatary.
Cheney as per US law divested himself of Haliburton shares prior to his election.
4 Oct 2006 @ 04:23 by Tom @184.108.40.206 : Nazis and Islamic Militants
"Both Nazism and radical Islam believe their community has been humiliated by outsiders, leading to the development of an honour mentality and a grievance industry. "
Can you expand on what you mean by "an honour mentality and a grievance industry. "? Are you referring to an institutionalizes O/W mechanism?
4 Oct 2006 @ 19:49 by b : No I'm not.
The point in the article refers to both Nazi's and radical Islamisits acts or murder and brutality that are done by them for their honor and blaming others who they say are responsible for the acts they commit.
4 Nov 2006 @ 03:37 by Larry S. Oxenham @220.127.116.11 : Nazis and Islamic Militants
Islam is the older brother of Nazism. Muhammad made Adolf Hitler look like a mere Boy Scout by comparison. Islam alined itself with Nazi Germany even before WWII started. The Hanzar SS was made up of Muslims and was responsible for the mass murder of 250,000 Jews and Gypsys in the Balkans. Today, the #2 selling book outside of the Koran in the Middle East is Hitlers "Mein Kampf", go figure. We must take Islamic expansionism seriously. Good Muslims follow the teachings (words and deads of their lone prophet Muhammad to the letter). Thats what makes "Good Muslims" so dangerous to Western Society as well as much of the "Bad Muslim" Society. Bad Muslims want to live their lives in peace, and "Good Muslims", want to kill them as well. Until Islam is totally repudiated with the truth about its blood bath history no civilized nation will be safe from the Islamic sword. Bullets and bombs won't defeat Islam, it only produces martyrs for their cause. But, the truth about their homicidal-maniac founder...Muhammad will set many Muslims free from their enslavement to a religion that turns them into terrorists. Islam cannot stand being brought into the light of truth and reason, it crumbles every time. No Muslim worth his salt would trust his soul to a murderer, rapist, terrorist, pirate, sexual deviate, and slave trader....would you?
6 Nov 2006 @ 18:36 by b : That's true Larry
Reading the first part of the Koran tells why Mohammed murders the Jews. The rest of the Koran gives the rules to continue the murders.
18 Mar 2007 @ 21:12 by bond-007 : ppl who does business
all to soon how imformation leaks out on the top heads of important people
what the usa is doing in other countries like letting Israel doing there thing with Nuclear energy and having India having there own and Pakistan there seems not to be fair with all who said that life was never fair Iran is left being ruled out from other countries that will not have there science be used as such
19 Mar 2007 @ 21:14 by b : Gotta do something, right Bond007
Boy Howdy, next thing you know, US and Israel will be conducting joint military operations together.
17 Dec 2007 @ 23:52 by b : That never happened
Now at the end of 2007 Iran and Almadinjad wait for the mahdi to come. Some say he has been in training and some built a highway from Tehran to a hole in the ground where it is said he will crawl out to greet mullahs who judge men and rule women.
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