|The Sandorian Grove: Perfektions-Angst (TM)|
5 comments31 Aug 2005 @ 14:32 by jmarc : ^
interesting dialogue. Do they ever reconcile?
31 Aug 2005 @ 22:12 by Ed Dawson @18.104.22.168 : archetype internal conflict
Perfection containss a weird combination of opposites: combiningness and separatingness for one thing. (in Ifa these are oshe and ofun respectively) One takes and combines in precision detail all exact parts of something to produce a creation of ultimate harmonized details. As such I must assume that perfection is an "actual GPM goal" (scnspeak), also called an odu (Ifaspeak).
To achieve a perfection one must start with all the tiniest details of which the perfection is to be composed. Then these are combined, again using great precision and exactness, to give the "perfect" creation.
In Ifa this is probably odu oshe'fun. This is oshe (blending together) as the DO (rootword), and ofun (analyzing, taking apart) as the HAVE (endword). The problem is keeping this from falling apart due to the ofun...
Two Ifa archetypes which are prone to struggling with the above are the types called Oshun and Shango.
Oshun is a female (receptive) archetype. Oshe is a female olodu. And because of this an Oshun does the oshe (creating, merging together) easiest, and struggles most with the details (ofun).
Shango tends to also struggle with the details, but because he is male can go into an ofun headspace and get them done a little easier.
A path of Shango called Oban Yoko has this even worse because he is trying to do BOTH oshe and ofun at the same time, and often gets the two into direct conflict within himself. In such circumstances his Shango-like preference for oshe tends to give him a flinch on ofun in a final product. Perfection can horrify him unless he is attempting to undo his own existence. Once it's perfect, it vanishes. This flinch may get associated in his mind with his urge to Power (irosun), in which case perfection will appear to have a final product of "dead energy" and "the Past" (owonrin). This appears to be a loss of Power, which Shango hates. To Shango Power = Life, and the Past = Death.
One of the A=A=A=A which gets going here is:
Perfection (oshe'fun) = Void (oyeku) = Past (owonrin) = Death.
The Shango person should work to pry these apart! (hint! hint!) they are not the same; please don't identify them with each other!
Warmly, but obnoxious as ever,
2 Sep 2005 @ 15:36 by mx @22.214.171.124 : yes, but...
Ed, everything you write is right on the mark.
The problem of this is below the level Odu, or, perhaps better, lies the design of the Universe itself..
3 Sep 2005 @ 23:40 by Jude Adebosoye Ogunade @126.96.36.199 : Perfection! What of Equlibrium?
Sometimes I wonder when people express their feelings of being fearful! No human alive is afraid, most are just afraid of being afraid! The air we breathe in itself is filled with germs, bacteria and if one is unlucky a full dosage of them(SARS). Well, be perfect if you can, why must you stop striving of breaking new grounds? No, you don't need religion to tell you not to hurt or make someone unhappy as you go about your goal of striving after perfection and doing the thing you fear, sorry if you don't have a conscience(many people do that - including an uncle who used his nephews and nieces for rituals) try inflicting the pain you think of inflicting on others first on yourself and see if your gumption will allow you to inflict that same dosage of pain on another! Well, imagine yourself in another's shoes before making him to be unhappy! Ok, the end justifies the means you say! Well, go ahead there are countless philosophy in this world to teach you to do just that! Forget the unknown (this include Paradise and Hell), as long as you don't know about it yet should not stop you from doing things contrary to either of them! Well, Mr. Wise (or I should call you intelligent for wise men don't hurt others!), have you talked to your passions? Have you thought about your emotion! I am sure most of the ills in the world is due to the fact that most people are just delinquents! Whether adult deliquency or adolescent deliquency! Most people who would go to any extent to hurt others just because they feel slighted, inadequate and inferior are the same people who will not strive after perfection. Seeking perfection does not necessary qualifies one to be a Wise Man neither does apathy towards perfection makes someone a Fool Man (Fool - I don't know the reason people don't add man after the word Fool but they easily do that after the word Wise, anyway that is for the Gender aligned individuals). Strive after perfection, seek to be better than your status quo but don't hurt another or make another unhappy! After all, how many years will you spend in this world that you want it to be a Hell for others!
Therefore, think about Perfection in the light of balance or equilibrium and see whether you're in line with nature if not, then seek perfection but don't step on the tiny ant on the floor!
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