|20 May 2005 @ 16:26, by Anthony Marsh|
The Bergen County, New Jersey Chief of Police Jack Schmidig barked, "do I trust the government? I am the government!" as he advocated mandatory government implant chipping by law to buy and sell. Schmidig made nationwide headlines when he personally got chipped last month.
Think I'll save the transcript for posterity.
Here's the audio:
Interview of Jack Schmidig, Police Chief of Bergen County, New Jersey
Alex Jones Radio Show
May 12, 2005
AJ: It’s exciting to get this guest on. This is an interesting story. It’s covered by Business Wire, Associated Press, you name it. Back on April 22nd, Bergen County Chief of Police, they have a chief of police for the county, Jack Schmidig leads regional rollout of VeriChip by receiving a VeriChip. Now remember last year, the Mexican attorney general told 160 plus of his employees, or even more, they had to take this microchip to get into secure areas. The Chief is not making his employees take it. Though I guess he might be recommending it. But joining us to talk about this important issue is Chief Jack Schmidig. Chief, good to have you on with us.
JS: Thank you.
AJ: Tell us how this happened, why you got the idea? What you’ve done? You’ve got the chip. Tell us about it.
JS: It started with a dear friend of mine, Mr. Nicholas Minicucci, who is the founder of the Molly Foundation. It's a foundation for diabetes research. His daughter Molly has had the disease for twenty years. And I’m a member of the board of trustees on the Molly Foundation. He, Mr. Minicucci, came up with the idea, through the VeriChip company, of implanting a chip in your - mine is in my arm – I don’t know if it can be located anywhere else. But it is readily available to obtain your medical information. When you have the chip implanted, they ask you a series of questions. Are you allergic to anything? Next of kin? Who you want to have this information? All kinds of series of questions. And by scanning the chip in my arm, they have immediate access to my medical history.
AJ: When were you implanted?
JS: April 12th
AJ: And it got a lot of attention. Are you aware of what the Mexican attorney general did?
JS: No, not at all.
AJ: Yeah, it’s getting big in a – also I’ve heard from Special Forces that some of them have been getting the chip.
JS: I can tell you as maybe a sidelight to this that my German shepherd had a chip implanted for identification. Mine isn’t for identification. It’s not like a tracking device that emits a – you know a transponder that’s going to follow you around. The protocol here in New Jersey will be, if you’re admitted to a hospital, if for some reason you’re incapacitated and can’t provide that information, they can scan that chip in your arm and through the computer access your medical history. So they potentially can find out what’s wrong with you.
AJ: Well, Applied Digital has now bought software in a company dealing with cell towers. And they are saying that with a bigger chip, they are going to be able, since you brought that up, with RFID (radio frequency identification devices) to use it as a tracking system. Were you aware of that?
JS: No, but how big must that chip be to follow you around or have RF signals emanating from your body?
AJ: [crosstalk] scan it and get the data number and then check it in the databases. They are saying, right now, one about an inch long and about a quarter of an inch wide or even smaller, will be able to work up to a couple of hundred feet.
JS: Wow. Well, the chip I have in my arm is about the size of a grain of rice.
AJ: I’ve seen the current version. We’ve interviewed the scientist that invented it. We’ve interviewed the CEO a few years ago. We’ve interviewed the Tipson family, you know the family that a – the Jacobsons, I believe, that got the chip. But what did the other, the officers under your command think about this?
JS: To be honest with you, I don’t think it’s gotten the recognition that it should have. I think it’s an exceptional idea and I know of one other officer who had the chip implanted and my secretary, who’s hypoglycemic. This initially started here as a result of the diabetes research and the Molly Foundation. She’s made an appointment to have the chip implanted also.
AJ: Well, they’ve got the chip mobiles. You’ve seen those?
JS: No, this is – we’re in the very early stages of it here in New Jersey. I don’t know of any other venue that is providing or …
AJ: VeriChip has these chip mobiles that go around chipping. They have Mr. Chip. You haven’t heard about that?
AJ: Yeah, they gave the readers to some hospitals in Florida but only a few. Have they given readers to the hospitals in New Jersey?
JS: There is only one hospital in the state and that’s the North County doing it right now.
AJ: Interesting. Well did you hear about in Miami and also in Spain and now Germany and England and other areas that the chip, the same chip to get into the VIP area?
JS: No, they scan your arm to get into selected areas? It may potentially down the line, I can see limited access events like maybe an inauguration ball or something like that for the president where you might need one of these to get in. But I think we are way ahead of ourselves.
AJ: Were you approached by VeriChip to do this? Or did you and your friend just spontaneously want to get a chip?
JS: I wanted it and while I’m on the board of trustees for that foundation, the information was brought to a trustee meeting. And I thought it was an exceptional idea and I said put me in. And, like I said, I had the chip implanted the 12th of April. And there’s no residual affects.
AJ: So are you waiting then for the readers to get into the local hospitals. Because what use will it be if they’re not in the local hospitals?
JS: That’s true. It’s going to take some time. But I’m on the cutting edge.
AJ: Is your foundation lobbying the hospital?
JS: Yes. All hospitals.
AJ: You know we found a lot of the people like the Jacobsons and others and some of the hospitals that accepted the chip readers in the Miami and Palm Beach area actually had employees there that were investors or even part of Applied Digital and that’s why they were doing this. Are you an investor in Applied Digital?
JS: Not at all. I have no stock in this at all.
AJ: What about – I’m just curious – what about the individual that’s on the foundation with you?
JS: The president of the foundation, Mr. Minicucci?
JS: I don’t believe he’s a stock holder either.
AJ: So basically somebody just approached the foundation and you guys said hey this is a good medical bracelet basically implanted.
JS: Absolutely, that was my logic behind getting mine.
AJ: Well, look chief, I’m going to be honest with you on my views of this.
AJ: You know the road to hell is paved with good intentions. To people like you, this sounds good. Hey, you can lose a medical alert bracelet. Who wants a tattoo with all your data on it? This sounds good – or for people with Altzheimers or now the California Bureau of Prisons signed a contract – Reuters reported it but then it got dropped under public scrutiny – to implant prisoners, maximum security prisoners. That was two years ago. That got cancelled. There is all these arguments for it but when you go on down the road, it sounds like Revelations. I mean people getting the microchip. Applied Digital says – I have had Applied Digital executives on and they say yes, you will have this for buying and selling. And everyone in the future will take the chip. I mean they said it. I’ve got the transcripts on my website.
JS: Well right now, I think that is a matter of opinion. I don’t believe it’s Big Brother watching me.
AJ: But I’m talking about the company itself. I mean you can type in Applied Digital and it says it will be used for tracking. It will be used for prisoners. Applied Digital will be used for cashless transactions. Type it into Goggle, Chief, and you’ll find it.
JS: I’m sure those potentials are there. My intention was to protect my life. Hopefully, if something happens to me where I’m incapacitated and I get taken to a hospital, I want the people to know that I’m not allergic to penicillin and my next of kin is my wife. Contact her immediately. Things like that. That’s what I was looking at.
AJ: If you were in a car wreck, wouldn’t they know all that from your car and your plates and your…
JS: Potentially, sure. But I think it’s a great back-up system. Another thing is what sold us on some of this was the, especially for the foundation, if a person goes into diabetic shock, sometimes it can look like they’re drunk and people don’t understand what potentials..
AJ: No, there have been a lot of cases of police thinking somebody is resisting when they are in shock – and then tasering them.
JS: All that stuff, so if you can get that scan, you know that this person has the propensity toward diabetes and it’s a problem [crosstalk]
AJ: I’m sure you’ve heard about the plan for national toll roads?
AJ: I mean that’s been in Time, Newsweek and USA Today. In Texas, it’s about to pass the legislature. Next year with our inspection stickers, we’ll all get tracker chips that are very small that are read by radio readers. We’re going to be taxed by the mile down the road. You see how this chipping of all products – RFID, the chipping of people. It is going to the extreme right away.
JS: In New Jersey, we have a system called Easy Pass and it gets you down the New Jersey Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway and as you pass through the toll booth, you have a reader in your car – a transponder in your car. And you get the bill on a monthly basis. And they can tell you – right now it’s almost 12:45 here – at 12:45, I passed through exit 159 on the Garden State Parkway. And that information comes to you.
AJ: Man, going across from New York to you guys, when I was there this summer, it was like 7 smackers.
JS: Yeah, and the Easy Pass works on the George Washington Bridge and when you come…
AJ: Why should we turn all our roads into this? Now it’s not going to be the size of a tiny matchbox, you know that you get at elegant martini bars…
AJ: about an inch and a-half long and a half-inch wide. Now it’s going to be a little bitty chip. Sir, that’s what I’m getting at.
JS: Well, I’ve got that little bitty chip. I guess I’m not, I don’t see the downside for me and those people who are looking at Big Brother. I don’t find that.
AJ: Well, that’s what I find. I want to shift gears – just because a listener emailed this to me this morning. This is not why I got you on the show but I find it incredibly intriguing. And again my friends, we are talking to the chief of police in the country of Bergen in New Jersey. And he’s taken the implantable microship. But I was sent this by several listeners. It’s still a hot topic. I have Fox news here in front of me. I have the New York Post and I have the Bergen Record. Bergen Record, the town you’re in.
“Five Men Detained as Suspected Conspirators,” by Paula Lima, staff writer. And in there, it’s got a quote from you. You got an alert to be on the look-out for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side.
JS: Oh, that was during 9/11.
AJ: I know it, this is a totally separate issue. This is interesting. Suspicious Middle Easterners cheer terror attack from moving van. And then it turned out in Fox News that it was Israelis. What actually happened with that sir?
JS: We turned those people over to the FBI. They were thoroughly checked out and released. No charges were ever filed against those people.
AJ: Well, what about the witnesses that said they saw them jumping up and cheering and videotaping?
JS: That was the information reported to us. We couldn’t confirm through the witnesses – no one would identify themselves. They said that they saw this white van with several people applauding or cheering the attack on the Trade Center. And when we finally found the van, located the van, no one would step forward to verify that they were in fact celebrating.
AJ: Well, I’ve got Israeli national news here. It says “suspicious Middle Eastern movers were Israelis.” The box cutters, European passports and $4000 cash. Is that accurate?
JS: I’m not sure. I don’t remember all the details of that particular case. Like I said, when we first located the van, we notified the FBI and they came and scooped them up. Ask the guy in the New Jersey State police.
AJ: How did that happen? You pulled them over and what happened …?
JS: We had a ‘be on the look-out’ for a particular type of van. We notified patrol officers, found it, located it, we pulled them over, and we detained them. And then we notified the state police and the FBI who work in the joint terrorism task force.
AJ: Were you aware of the hundreds of Israeli art students that were really spies and they were (quote) following al Qaeda. This was even on Fox News and the Associated Press. And then they grabbed them and then they were ordered to release them to Israel. Did you hear about that?
AJ: Did they have any video cameras on them. And then secondarily, how many days after 9/11 was this arrest?
JS: It was…I believe it occurred the night of 9/11. I’m not sure.
AJ: Did you find any video cameras on them?
JS: No. I don’t recall any video cameras on them but like I said, being in an administrative position, I don’t do the road work anymore and it gets passed down to my detective captain and, unfortunately, he’s not here today.
AJ: What’s his name?
JS: Capt. Kevin Hartnet.
AJ: Can I get Kevin Hartnet on about that?
JS: If he’s willing to come on, I’m sure. I don’t have an objection.
AJ: Well this issue just keeps coming up over and over again.
JS: It was a hot button issue. After 9/11, they wanted any kind of attention they could get. And they kept re-running and repeating those catch-phrases there. And if I goggle my own name, it comes up with that quote about four or five times.
AJ: But it’s true that they wouldn’t talk to you – that shows some pretty serious training. How many people do you pull over… how many were arrested?
JS: I thought there were three or four but I’m not sure.
AJ: I mean if you have four people and none of them talk – boy, that’s pretty – do you see that a lot?
AJ: Yeah, you don’t see that a lot, do you? I mean you’re usually, according to criminology – and I took a little bit of it in college. I don’t have a degree in it but when you end up with one person who won’t talk, you end up with two, three, four. Usually when you end up with four people, it means there was some pretty serious training going on.
JS: Once again, I don’t know their background. We received some information. We stopped them and then we turned them over to people more interested in them [crosstalk]
AJ: How long did they interrogate them?
JS: than a local police department in New Jersey.
AJ: How long did you interrogate?
JS: We didn’t participate in the interrogation. They were turned over to the State Police.
AJ: You talked to them and they didn’t..
JS: Well, we talked to them at the road stop.
AJ: And then were they brought into the jail or were they just given right over to the FBI?
JS: I think they were taken to the FBI’s field office in Newark but I’m not sure.
AJ: What did the FBI say?
JS: I don’t know.
AJ: Did you ever ask them what came of it?
JS: Mr. Jones, you know you’re talking – we started on one subject, now we are on another.
AJ: I know but I didn’t put two and two together when I saw your name, getting the microchip. And then I started getting emails about it. And I go oh yeah, I remember this article. It’s an interesting topic.
JS: This was a very interesting day, September 11th, 2001. And a lot of ..
AJ: Did you see the towers smoking when it happened?
AJ: What was that like?
JS: It was terrible. It was terrible.
AJ: I wish we would control our borders, that might keep us safe.
JS: (laughs) You have to talk to another agency on that.
AJ: No, I know you’re not even near the border. So I understand that.
JS: I’m on the border with New York.
AJ: Yes. Well, I really appreciate you spending time with us. And I hope that you wake up and see the real ramifications of the implantable microchip. Will you say no to the chip if in ten years, the government says that you’ve got to use this for identification when you pay for goods and services?
AJ: You won’t go along with that?
JS: No, I’d go along with that. Sure. Rather than carrying my credit cards? I want them to put all my information on my chip, as I’m walking out the grocery store with a loaf of bread and a quart of milk, you know they just ….
AJ: Chief, we’ve got to break – quick three-minute break. Stay right there. Just do five more minutes with us. This is just amazing information. Stay with us. We’ll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, with our guest.
AJ: Fighting the culture war right here, my friends. Just a few minutes left with the county police chief up there in Bergen County. Sir, the music was playing. So folks might not have heard what you said. I want to state that again for the record. I said if in ten years, and the army documents say this is the plan, by 2020, that’s the January 1, 2000 report by the Army War College, that everybody is going to have a chip. I’ve had the CEO on of Verichip. That’s the plan. I had their distributors on from Spain, from Miami. They’ve said the same thing. We are all going to have chips. We are going to buy and sell with these. And the chief was saying that he’s not for Big Brother. He’s not worried about Big Brother. But then I said, in ten years if they say you’ve got to use this to buy and sell, you said you’re happy with that, Chief.
JS: I wouldn’t object to it.
AJ: If they say we have to take the chip, you wouldn’t object.
JS: No. Like I said before the break, if I went into a grocery store and brought a loaf of bread and a quart of milk and walked out and it read my chip, and debited my bank account, I don’t have a problem with that.
AJ: Chief, it’s either two separate things. Either you are a really nice guy who totally trusts the government and society…
JS: I am the government.
AJ: So, well hold on..
JS: You bet your life, I trust the government because I am part of government.
AJ: Either it’s that you’re naïve or you’re demon possessed.
JS: If you want to think that I’m naïve, that’s certainly your opinion.
AJ: Well Chief, I appreciate your coming on the show but I totally disagree with you.
JS: You can and that’s your right.
AJ: Well wait a minute – so if the government says everybody has got to get chipped ten years from now and it’s the law, you’ll start arresting people that don’t have it.
JS: I won’t be here ten years from now. How’s that sound? I’ve got a short time to go before I take my retirement and leave.
AJ: Of course, I mean that as a joke, figuratively. But I mean that sounds pretty scary and …
JS: People look under rocks for scary things, too
AJ: The founding fathers, chief, said that we should not trust our government; we should keep it small; keep control of it. You’re just saying, I am the government; I trust it. And if they say we’ve got to have chips, we’ve got to have them.
JS: Is that my opinion?
JS: Well then thank you.
AJ: You just said that, sir. Are you saying….
JS: Exactly. That’s my opinion and I’m entitled to my opinion. And Mr. Jones, you’re entitled to yours. And I think sir that it was nice of you to have me on.
AJ: Are you a Christian?
JS: Yes I am.
AJ: And you have to have this mark to buy and sell but – but you’re saying if that happens, you don’t have a problem with it.
JS: I don’t.
AJ: So, maybe you are just naïve.
JS: That’s your opinion, too.
AJ: I’m not picking up from you that you’re evil.
JS: I’m not evil.
AJ: I don’t pick that up from you. I’m picking up that you’re just totally trusting and naïve, chief.
JS: Okay, Mr. Jones, I think your interview with me is over.
AJ: Hey, I’m going to pray for you.
JS: Thank you so much.
AJ: Go with God, take care. There you had it, ladies and gentlemen, that’s how deep the rabbit hole goes. We’ve got to have a transcript of that. That’s the all time, most out of control, in you face – you see? You see what we’re facing? You understand what we’re facing now?
5 Jul 2005 @ 02:27 by trentation : Bad Chips
I researched those chip things,...pretty scary stuff micro implantation I hear,........sounds like the movie *(Demolition Man)*,......Yuck somebody put me back in the fridge...... lol,......
trentation - (Greg Crawford)
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