|LOST TRIBE, Wandering's ...: Lost Archaeology|
7 comments6 May 2004 @ 11:33 by spiritseek : Amazing discoveries...
makes me feel we're just going around in circles in our cycles of life.
6 May 2004 @ 12:05 by skookum : very cool
I love a mystery
6 May 2004 @ 20:13 by vibrani : Yep
This is more proof of the existence of the ancient Anunnaki, and why I refer people to read the Mahabarata, the Hebrew Bible, the Bahgavad Gita, etc., as they contain so much information about them, the Anakim. Have you seen this report, Bushman?
May 5, 2004 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
A discovery of monumental carved masks and elaborate jade
ritual objects in 2,000-year-old ruins of a city in
Guatemala is raising serious questions about the chronology
of the enigmatic Mayan civilization. In many respects, the
city appeared to be ahead of its time.
The leader of excavations there, Dr. Francisco
Estrada-Belli of Vanderbilt University in Nashville, said
yesterday that the city, Cival, appeared to have been one
of the earliest and largest in what is generally regarded
as the preclassic period. But it has been found to have all
the hallmarks of a classic Mayan city: kings, complex
iconography, grand palaces, polychrome ceramics and
"It's pretty clear that 'preclassic' is a misnomer," Dr.
Estrada-Belli said in a telephone interview. But he added,
"It may be too late to change the names" in the established
framework of Maya history.
Archaeologists have long dated the start of the classic
Mayan civilization at A.D. 250, which had seemed to be the
time of the earliest written inscriptions in city plazas
and temples. The period ended around 900 with the
mysterious collapse of the largest Mayan cities in
Guatemala, Honduras, Belize and parts of Mexico. The
postclassic period of general decline continued until the
arrival of the Spanish in the early 16th century.
The preclassic period may have begun as early as 2000 B.C.
Cival reached its prime about 150 B.C. and was abandoned
shortly before A.D. 100.
The new findings from Cival were announced by the National
Geographic Society, which was a supporter of the research.
Besides the two huge stucco masks, the discoveries included
120 pieces of polished jade, a ceremonial center that
spanned a half mile and an inscribed stone slab dating to
It is perhaps the earliest such monument ever found in the
Mayan lowlands, Dr. Estrada-Belli said.
Other archaeologists not involved in the research said they
were amazed by the size of the city but not surprised to
learn that the preclassic Maya were capable of such
advanced architecture, art and other classic-type culture.
Previous discoveries had already overturned the former
model of the preclassic Maya as a culture of simple farming
villages, Dr. David Webster, a Pennsylvania State
University archaeologist, wrote in his book "The Fall of
the Ancient Maya" (Thames & Hudson, 2002).
The ruins of El Mirador, also in Guatemala, have revealed a
preclassic city with a highly developed culture as early as
500 B.C., a pyramid that rivaled in size those of Egypt and
a population that may have reached 100,000. Cival may have
had 10,000 inhabitants at its peak.
Two years ago a Harvard researcher, Dr. William Saturno,
discovered a 1,900-year-old mural at San Bartolo,
Guatemala, that experts hailed as a masterpiece and as fine
as any wall painting ever found in Mayan ruins.
Dr. Ian Graham, a Harvard archaeologist who specializes in
Maya inscriptions, said he accepted the interpretation of
the Cival discovery because it seemed to corroborate other
evidence of an unexpected flowering of preclassic culture.
"Extraordinary things are emerging from preclassic sites,"
he said. "They are simply mind-boggling."
Dr. Graham said that when he mapped the Cival site two
decades ago, the jungle concealed all but some outlines of
the stone buildings and pyramids that once stood there. The
central plaza appeared to have been less than half the size
of what has now been uncovered.
The Harvard team did not linger for extensive excavations.
Dr. Estrada-Belli's painstaking investigation began paying
off with spectacular results a year ago. He was inspecting
a dank tunnel in the main pyramid. Reaching into a fissure
in the wall, his hand met a piece of carved stucco. Later,
he saw before him the mask of an anthropomorphic face, 15
feet by 9 feet, with snake fangs in its squared mouth.
"The mask's preservation is astounding," Dr. Estrada-Belli
said in a statement about the discoveries.
Last week, the archaeologist said, a second mask,
apparently identical, was excavated from the same pyramid.
The second mask is made of carved stone overlaid with thick
plaster. Its eyes appear to be adorned with corn husks,
suggesting the Mayan maize deity.
A study of ceramics associated with the mask, Dr.
Estrada-Belli said, indicated that the two artifacts were
part of the backdrop for elaborate rituals in about 150
B.C., plus or minus 100 years.
Other evidence suggested that Cival was occupied as early
as 600 B.C. and that the broad plaza was being used for
important ceremonies and ritual offerings by 500 B.C. The
central axis of the main buildings and the plaza is
oriented to sunrise at the equinox, presumably for solar
rituals associated with the agricultural cycle.
The remains of a hastily erected defensive wall around the
city attest to Cival's probable fate. Overwhelmed by an
invading enemy, the city was abandoned, apparently for
6 May 2004 @ 21:31 by bushman : Ya :}
It's like the older the date the more ornaite and technical the work, then something happens, and its lost but the design and function is not lost, just the quality and workmanship is some how lacking., Yep, seems to me thee is some sort of cycle where everything is almost totaly lost but then makes a comeback but is less than it was. I think it's a solar cycle coupled with where we are in our solar systems orbit around our galaixy. Still why is it so hard for us to find out what was happening during the gap in records, we know that some natives went underground with some lizard and ant people, and some went to maybe Mars for safe keeping, so just what really happened back then? I personaly think our sun had something to do with it, like it got really hot around here, why did the people of the past mostly build heavy stone structures? maybe they stayed cooler during the day and warm at night.
8 May 2004 @ 16:33 by sharie : "Earth in Upheaval""Worlds in Collision"
Two books by Immanuel Velikovsky that I highly recommend on the subject. He was a scholar, researcher, a doctor, a linguist, and a brilliant writer.
Three thousand years ago, King Solomon married many *princesses* building kingdoms throughout the Mediterranean, Arabian, and African regions. The phoenicians (present-day Lebanese) were excellent ship-builders, sailors, and architects (among many other talents... long before King David (Solomon's father) was even born.
Solomon joined allegiance with the phoenicians, King Hiram, and many other kingdoms.
Many ship expeditions out through the Mediterranean and Red Sea resulted. Some expeditions discovered silver and gold which was returned to Solomon by the shiploads. Some of the ships floundered and the people landed in Central America (and who knows where else!).
Ancient stone inscriptions found in Central America attesting to the fate of these people who found themselves in a strange land, bringing with them the architectural ideas of their homeland... King Solomon's temple... and that of Queen Hatshepsut. www.daughterofra.com/images/stills/p001.jpg
Controversies abound, but evidence indicates - despite the expert theories of Egyptologists and others - that this is the temple of King Solomon's Queen of Sheba. This temple was built as a copy of the temple which Queen of Sheba experienced when she went to meet King Solomon, the man she had heard so much about and so admired. She gave birth to his son and built a temple documenting their relationship, the many gifts that were exchanged between King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba are engraved with pictures of the pottery, trees, slaves, and the many, many gifts that he gave to her. The same story is told again in the Book of Solomon in the Old Testament.
10 May 2004 @ 14:38 by craiglang : Pre-10K BC
Not too sure about Velikovski - though, to be honest, I've never really studied his work.
However, It is interesting to look at a map of the world, with the continental shelves and water deptsh shown, and note the sea levels during the last ice age. About 10,000 years ago, sea level was several hundred feet lower than it is now, leaving alot of what is now continental shelf as exposed land. Furthermore, this would have been very fertile coastal plain. So it would have most likely been the location of the majority of the cities in an ice-age era civilization. The land in which we live now would at that time have been the highlands and perhaps (just speculating) the "wilderness of the interior" to many of the ancients.
IMHO it is no surprise that we haven't found much in the way of ancient ruins. The bulk of them are most likely under several hundred feet of water, and about 10,000 years of sediment...
What are the implications for modern archaeology of a (presumably advanced) civilization existing that long ago? To me it boggles the mind...
10 May 2004 @ 19:20 by bushman : Hmm :}
Well as for the sea level then, that would make this area deep within the interior and a high inland fresh water lake, untill the glaciers melted and caused it to drain into the oceans we have now, helping to carve the grandcanyon but its hard to say for sure just how high up all this was then, since the uplift area, is way older than 10k years. Those 1ton stone maps they found in north china, are dated to 120million years, and they where machined and then laminated with porcilin. Here is the translated version.
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