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picture19 Sep 2006 @ 00:09, by D



Someone ought to make it a song or a poem.

Actually someone did (here):

My god’s better than your god,
My special book tells me so,
It tells me how to think, who to love,
And how my life should go.
(…)
My god’s better than your god,
Yours has a silly name,
And your book is stupid,
Really dumb and lame.


I remember vividly a scene from my childhood when one of my schoolmates in primary school (the only Muslim kid in the entire classroom) burst into tears in the middle of a class. Upon investigating what happened, the institutor found out that one of the other kids seated next to him had made some derogatory remark about Allah. Upon which the teacher had the kid stand up and challenged him to explain in front of the whole class in what he thought HIS God was any better than his classmate’s God. The kid was pretty embarrassed already at this point by the outburst he had created and chose to apologize to his classmate instead.

I am reminded of that scene as I reflect upon the recent controversy generated over the words of a major religious figure. It is always a strange thing indeed when children behave with wisdom and wise men behave childishly.

In a speech in Germany, last week Pope Benedict XVI, formerly known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, quoted a 14th century Christian emperor as referring to elements of the Muslim faith as “evil and inhuman”.

Even though Pope Benedict XVI has not, to this date, apologized for his comment, he later on tempered his offensive remark in a follow up speech in which he insisted that the quotation “in no way” reflected his personal thoughts on the matter.

Why, then, did he use the quotation in the first place?

One can only wonder.

Especially when this comes as such a shocking contrast with his strong condemnation of the Mohammed cartoons earlier on this year, when he had expressed the view that "in the international context we are living at present, the Catholic Church continues convinced that, to foster peace and understanding between peoples and men, it is necessary and urgent that religions and their symbols be respected.”

What happened?

It is, of course, no secret that among Joseph Ratzinger's better-published positions is "a sense that Catholicism is in competition with Islam":

“In a highly controversial document published six years ago, when he was still head of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger wrote that only the Roman Catholic Church provides the means for salvation and that followers of non-Christian religions are 'gravely deficient.'” ("Pope Benedict's Islam blunder undermines dialogue" by Nicholas Rigillo, Sep 18, 2006 link)

Well, no big surprise, here.

Still, this new development is a broad departure from the interfaith strategy carried out for decades by his predecessor John Paul II who always stressed the “common faith” that unites Muslims, Christians and Jews under one God.

One may wonder in what this return to middle age obscurantism (literally so, in view of the quoted material) and this seemingly revived antagonism toward Islam are very different from the Vatican's attitudes toward European Jews during the middle age or, more recently, during the early part of the twentieth century?

As the Bush administration pursues what most in the Islamic international community view as a latter-day Christian crusade, it is little wonder that Pope Benedict XVI’s anti-Mohammedan citation appears to fit right in with the picture and is perceived as much more than a communications mistake---mistakes are seldom perceived as “accidental” from men of this stature, as they seldom are. As it is, the remark stands as yet one more provocation and plays in the hands of the button pushers, those, both at home (the Bush doctrine) and abroad (Radical Islamism), who are seeking to make their dream of a “war of civilizations” a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So much for fostering “peace and understanding between peoples and men.”



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19 Sep 2006 @ 02:16 by Tom @206.162.192.39 : God
For me god is the omni presence that premeates everything and has nothing to do with religion. Religion is of man as is war, murder, greed and so on.  


19 Sep 2006 @ 14:48 by scotty : Absolutely
Tom - I couldn't agree with you more !!  


19 Sep 2006 @ 15:27 by vaxen : i2i...
In Defense of Pope Benedict
The Catholic Church is an enemy of the War Party

The full article, by Justin Raimondo, can be found at the following link and may offer you something more than the current bruhaha over what ''they'' think he said...

[http://antiwar.com/justin/]  



19 Sep 2006 @ 16:11 by jobrown : Yes, Tom...
Religion is of man..." And I would add that it ( religion) was -to 90%- degree made with the idea to both justify and cover up war, murder, greed and so on. Did you klick on the links Hanae provided ( at the bottom of i2i's Blog conn. to her article :"War Games" which of coursre is a result of a Mindset that believes that one God; "MY 'God' -of course- can -and IS better than yours". These sites helps us all to understand the underlying thinking /psychology behind this selfshiness Charade (and Parade)!

http://www.studentsfororwell.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Truth

Within these pages you will find an absolutely accurate description of the Script this particular frequency/"personality" follows
to the tee. They do it whether they ever been thaught these particular in any sort of scholar sit/place. It IS -I am convinced- imbued in the frequencyband, just like the man-made radio stations have their own particulars that they follow.
Check out how very true to this frequency today's World lives!

http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000210.htm  



19 Sep 2006 @ 21:05 by i2i : My God’s better than your God…
Contrarily to what Vaxen is suggesting in his comment, above, link, I believe that most people who took the time of commenting on Pope Benedict XVI’s speech (including people on this thread) did take the time of reading what Pope Benedict XVI actually said - I know I did - and that, consequently, their comments are based upon what the Pope actually said rather than on "what 'they' think he said," as vaxen would have us believe. As for Justin Raimondo’s opinion (thank you for the link) I find it not particularly better informed than the so-called "current bruhaha", nor any better, nor any worse, than any of a variety of positions that have been taken on the topic.

Bottom line: the Pope’s speech (which Justin Raimondo’s defended thusly: quote) essentially comes down to this notion "My God is better than your God," hence the tongue-in-cheek title of this post.

Tom’s point abour religions, in a comment above, is a good one and certainly one of the points that this post was driving at.

Other than that I am not particularly interested in engaging in a debate about whether "Islam lacks a moderating Hellenistic influence", lol (for all practical purpose, I think that History is pretty clear that such is not the case) or about which religion is better than which, lol.

That said, to each his or her own, NCN is a big place, and Vaxen is, of course, entitled to his own opinion (or to other's opinion - Justin Raimondo’s, in this instance), and I thank him for his comment. I also understand that Vaxen runs a Newslog on NCN so, in so far as I am concerned, if comparative religion is a topic that is of interest to him, there is nothing stopping him, if he is so inclined, from running a thread about that on his Blog, or, for that matter, from debating over the merits ("Hellenistic" or otherwise---like he had begun to do in an earlier draft of his comment) of such or such religion, on any of the many blogs of some of the like-minded members of NCN who have made it their mission to post regularly about the "evil" of Islam. This is not what this post is about.  



27 Sep 2006 @ 18:43 by Hanae @69.33.46.10 : Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Arab Racism

One may indeed "wonder in what this return to middle age obscurantism (literally so, in view of the quoted material) and this seemingly revived antagonism toward Islam are very different from the Vatican's attitudes toward European Jews during the middle age or, more recently, during the early part of the twentieth century?"

This is an important and much overlooked point!

Interestingly, apart from the reaction from the Muslim community, there was little expressed unease or disquiet about the Pope’s speech anywhere else, which some are seeing as proof, if any was needed, that there exists an unhealthy tolerance for abuse of Islam and Muslims in many parts of the non-Muslim world today.

Consider this:

Infamously, numerous medieval Papal edict were openly Judeophobic, like, for instance, "Etsi non displiceat"(1205) which solicited kings to put an end to "'Jewish evils' like usury, arrogance and murder."

Imagine, if you will, how different the world’s reaction, at large, would have been had the Pope made some similar comment about "Jewish evil" instead and quoted something like the "Etsi non displiceat" above---the reaction is not hard to imagine, just remember the firestorm against Mel Gibson for saying that "the Jews are responsible for all the war in the world."

Juan Cole’s analysis (Informed Comment: link) sums up the controversy:

"The pope was trying to make the point that coercion of conscience is incompatible with genuine, reasoned faith. He used Islam as a symbol of the coercive demand for unreasoned faith.

But he has been misled by the medieval polemic on which he depended.

In fact, the Quran also urges reasoned faith and also forbids coercion in religion [link]. The only violence urged in the Quran is in self-defense of the Muslim community against the attempts of the pagan Meccans to wipe it out."


(Juan Cole also refers his readers to his collected postings on Quran and peace.)

Farish A. Noor (a political scientist based at the Zentrum Moderner Orient, Berlin, and researching the phenomenon of religio-political movements in South and Southeast Asia) put the whole thing into perspective rather nicely link:

"We are indeed living at a time when Muslim-Western relations are at an all-time low. It is also a fact that the divide between the Western and Muslim worlds is not a neutral one, but rather one based on unequal and unjust divisions of power, wealth and privilege. However in order to redress this imbalance and injustice on a global scale, a global view of the world is needed which sees humanity as a singular community. Divisive speech on either side of the divide will do little to help the situation; and if anything it can only perpetuate the very differentials of difference and power which is at the root of this injustice."  



9 Sep 2007 @ 02:12 by Ian Stewart @72.197.60.32 : My God's better than your god
Here's a good song, but it is actually about Norse gods.

http://www.gwydion.net/~helen/Maeltracks/48%20My%20God's%20Better%20Than%20Your%20God.wma

It makes me smile.  



2 Oct 2007 @ 06:46 by bob dog @64.59.144.24 : it's a God Eat God world
http://www.dogeatdogma.com/godeatgod.htm for a video about religious intolerance and competition between deities.

meanwhile...
a poem:

MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD
MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GOD

the bullet has no eye for beauty
it does its duty
the bomb has no respect for art
it does its part

from london to dresden
from saigon to tehran
MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD
from the vatican to jerusalem
from the taliban to the pentagon
MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GOD

this ain't about who's right or wrong
so figure out whose side you're on
this ain't about who's wrong or right
just pick a side and join the FIGHT!
MIGHT is RIGHT

if you don't agree with me
you must be the enemy
if you don't see what i see
you must be the enemy

GOD EAT GOD
from belfast to belgrade
GOD EAT GOD
from beruit to baghdad

MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD
MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GOD

i have a dream
no being is supreme
i have a vision
a world without religion

every day i hope and pray
all these gods will go away

DOG eat DOGMA
from kuta to kenya
DOG eat DOGMA
from mecca to hiroshima  



2 Oct 2007 @ 06:52 by bobdog @64.59.144.24 : God Eat God


GOD EAT GOD  



13 Apr 2012 @ 14:59 by tina louise @109.150.150.221 : My god etc.
Thank you for liking my poem enough to use it(http://www.tinalouise.co.uk/poem.php?poemid=22) I would though appreciate it if for copyright purposes you could add a link to the original. Namaste, Tina Louise  


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